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Here it is, a Spider Clown. Since I've never seen one I didn't want to name which morph it was until I was 100% sure. Sorry if that upset some of you. Thanks to the majority of you who posted kind words.
Now the question is, has it already been done? If not should I give it a name or just leave it at Spider Clown?

Here is the spider sibling which also came out today. There are also a Clown and two 66% hets which are still in their eggs.

Really neat looking spider!

man that spider doesnt look right. their is huge variability in clowns and spiders. the first one i would consider a reduced pattern clown spider. maybe this "spider" is a low grade clown spider. it just doesnt look right! the head pattern is wicked, side pattern is funky for a spider as well.
my 2 cents
adam jeffery

btw....awesome animals!!
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When I first saw the spider's head before it came out of the egg, I thought it might be a spider clown as well. While it definitely doesn't look like a regular spider, it doesn't really look like a clown to me either. I don't think there's any way of proving definitively if it's a spider clown or not. I do believe that it will most likely prove to be a clown het.

If I had to take a guess, I'd say that the spider is probably het for clown. It is not uncommon for hets to have just a little different look to them. Of course there is no way of knowing for sure, but there's just something a little different about that spider.
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Brian Gundy

www.for-goodness-snakes.com

I was thinking the same thing Brian. This is the third clutch of possible het clown spiders i've hatched this season and looking back over the animals i've hatched and comparing them with this clutch i'm noticing what looks like it could be a clown het marker. It's just a theory at this point that I will be working on proving or disproving in the upcoming seasons.

Congratulations on producing the first clown spider and good luck with proving out that marker.

Great accomplishment!

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Brian Gundy

www.for-goodness-snakes.com

That snake is RAD! For lack of a more awesome word to describe it. No, really that is a great looking snake. I would love to see some pics after a few sheds, should be pretty amazing. Congrats.
Eric

gorgeous animal - congrats!

N/P

Very nice animal,

I'll be trying to produce bumble bees het for clown this coming season.

Thanks for sharing with us.
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Brian Gundy

www.for-goodness-snakes.com

Awesome Job! I say stick to "Spider Clown".

Very cool, either Circus Spider or Spider Clown

Dave

Thanks Dave. I was thinking Creepy Clown if I were to name it. Circus Clown ain't bad though.

Beautiful snakes.. The head patterns on both are phenomenal.. All three names work, spider clown is simple and lets all know the genes; while the other two give it some intrigue.. Great snakes man.. thansk for the pics
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BC
0.1 GTP
2.1 Ball Python
1.1 het albino ball
2.3 JCP
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2.1 Homo Sapien

Go with the name you choose. You wont get many chances to name a new combo. You could also consider how future add ons to it might sound. ( creepy killer clown, creepbee clown, creepin clown )
Very cool snake whatever you decide.
Mike

I like the Spider Clown, Like some of the others have said its much simpler and lets you know what it is. You know not to knock anyone but when I here "Inferno" its like hey that sounds like a really cool snake, What the heck is it made from?.. Spider Clown is GREAT. Jay
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JEM from sunny AZ.

3.25 Normals
3.15 Pastels
1.0 Super Pastels(Thanks Dan Wolfe for the best looking Super male I have ever seen)
2.8 Normal Spiders
1.2 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost(Thanks Steve Beamer)
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
0.7 100% het Orange Ghosts
0.3 66% het Orange Ghosts(should prove this year)
0.1 Pastel Ghost
1.0 Citrus Ghost(courtesy of Josh Hutto)
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
2.3 Albinos
1.1 Caramel Albinos
0.1 100% het Caramel Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.5 66% het for Albino(should prove this year)
0.7 Yellow Bellies
1.0 SuperStripe(Scott Priester your a great man of your word)
1.0 Pastel Yellow Belly
1.2 Ivories
1.2 100% het for Clowns(Mark Petros)
1.6 Cinnamons(Thanks Stan Ruppel)
1.0 Pied
1.4 100% het for Pied(Josh Hutto and Paul the Pied Peddler)
0.5 66% het for Pied(should prove out next year with my visual male Pied)
1.5 Mojaves
0.1 Pastave het Ghost
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.3 BumbleBees(thanks for the AWESOME Bees Marc Bailey)
1.1 Pewters(Myself and Scott Priester of Brookside Reptiles)
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.3 Lessers(Josh Hutto)
2.2 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Enchi's (Me and Josh Hutto, Thanks again Josh)
1.0 Pinstripe
1.2 Pinstripe 100% het for Ghost
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)
0.1 Super Vanilla Ghost(Awesome Chris and Shelia from GCR)
0.1 Vanilla Yellow Belly
0.1 Vanilla Mojave
0.1 Vanilla(Another one from Josh Hutto,I must have all your snakes now...lol.) Thanks my friend, Jay
1.1 Stillwater Hypo Bull snakes(Brad Chambers)
0.0.1 Great looking Brown and Tan Desert Bull Snake)
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
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1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
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n/p

Sweet!

You could go with Clowder........half kidding on this one.

How about the Funny Bee?

Really though, Spider clown is the most simple and most informative
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Very unique. Congrats.
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Alice Cobb
Florida Reptile Room

Very Nice!! Great job.
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Chris

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Very nice. I look forward to some post-shed pictures. That sibling is quite interesting as well. If it isn't a Het, then it could make some really nice Bees for you.

I recommend staying with Spider Clown. Not only for ease, but it is already a little creepy. Clowns. Spiders. Spiders with clown faces weaving webs.... Ick.
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.0 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/poot_72/ClownSpider.jpg
Clown Spider...scary scary

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That is awesome! I love it. I made a pair of Bumble Bee het Clowns last year just on the assumption that a Spider Clown would be really cool. At the same time I thought it might be one of those combos that you can't really tell what it is. Now that I know what it looks like I am super excited to have this pair. Nice work. Thanks for posting the pics.
Matt Ozsvath
Lizards of Oz
www.lizardsofoz.com

I think that name is fine but maybe "Spidered Clown" or Clowned Spider".

Great job congrats......

congrats on a new first! i think its nice but not insanely different looking i do however think as more are made and even the one you hatched seems to make for a more reduced patterned animal! wich with that reason alone will make them more desirable to buyer`s everyone want`s there clown`s to be reduced and if the spider gene will do that everytime then people will want there clowns to have have the spider influence my only thing with it is i stay clear from spiders because of the wobbling issues and i know alot of other breeder`s who do also ... yeah it sucks because i really like spiders i think there one of the best pattern morphs out there and there combo potential is just endless anyway great snake great work! regards

n/p

With all do respect Mike, if I am the first to produce this morph, then I have the right to name it. While I agree spider clown is an appropriate name and most likely that is what I intend to call it, its still my decision unless someone else has already produced one.
The problem that I see by calling it a spider clown is what do you call it when it becomes a quadruple morph. Seems kind of crazy to call it a spider fire pastel clown or whatever the other morphs may be.

this is a problem we are seeing more and more of wich is the nameing process of ball morph combos will it ever end probley not every year there are more and more combos and mutiple combos its kinda endless really! and as far as some of these morphs wich carry 5 and 6 genes in one animal half the time breeders cant even tell what genes are present and what genes are not i think alot of them just look kinda plain and spotty with nice color and even some with not so nice color! sometimes less is best IMO its hard to say where we will be with this in another 10 years so i suppose time will tell good luck folks.

I think we should all agree on a naming code of some sort. Shouldn't be all that hard to bring the entire breeding community together to agree on some morph abbreviations, right? (Note the sarcasm).

But seriously, many breeders already use a code for their systems. Like a Male Spider Cinnamon Clown could be a SdCnCw using pluses and minuses for male and female or something.

I know. Probably not...
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.0 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

A spider clown albino lesser would be a SCAL. Throw an enchi in there we have a SCALE.
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I like that idea. The problem would come in with Clowns and Cinnamons, which both start with "C" or other such morphs that start with the same letter. Then what would we do about Supers and Hets?

Pewter, Cinnamon Pastel, (CnP)
Jigsaw, Mojave Pinstripe, (MPn)

Super Pastel Genetic Stripe (??)
Yellowbelly Het Ghost (??)

I do like the names of Bumblebee, Pewter, Panda Pied, etc. I just think a naming system would save us all a lot of headache in the end. So, as suggested, we could do both.

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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.0 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

I don't see why we can't do both. I think it's fun having the lavish names. But I also think it is important to identify the parts of the whole. Why not use dual system? That way the artist can name his creation and we can interpret it. Ex: Bumble Bee/pastel-spider. IMO, I think it covers both bases.

W. Smith

Spider Clown it is.

Just to throw in an opinion and not to create an argument, what if the bumble bee had been called a pastel spider. Or instead of a killer bee a super pastel spider (kinpin,silverstreak and so on).
I do understand the need for simplicity, But descriptive terms for the morphs, in my opinion makes them more interesting. That being said Spider Clown is descriptive and a cool name on it's own.
Great job on creating the first.
Mike

When you produce your own combo animal, you then call it what you want, until then, the breeder producing the first one gets dibs on naming it as he see fits...

To b.tch and complain about calling it what it is, is in reality none of your business...

Enough of this BS, he can call it what he wants...

look bra! no one said he cant call it what he wants but this naming process is getting out of control and most of us breeders are very aware of it and this clown spider aint even a confusing one i think this paticular one fits fine give it some time you to will see the problems this is going to cause. as it already has started why such hostility over this is this youre creation? i have a number and a e-mail if you care to discuss this matter further im just stating the obvious here! people are getting confused about these morphs we are creating look how many totally unrelated morphs at that wich have the same name! not cool we the breeders set the example for novice keepers and it aint fair for them to buy a desert when in fact it comes and is a desert ghost and theres many more like this. this is just a example of my point there are many more i could on for awhile with this. anyway feel free to call or e mail me if this gets youre goat that bad i have a very valid point and if you dont think so i have many top breeders backing me on my theory and will be happy to give you there names via e-mail. regards

I would agree that the name game does have problems. I can't believe this is causing such an uproar! As i said in another post, the point, in my opinion anyway, of giving it another name besides spider clown, is to simplify the title when you throw other morphs into the equation. If i produce a pastel spider clown next year, I would call it a Bumble Bee Clown. And as someone already suggested a super pastel spider clown would be a Creepy Killer Clown. I don't consider myself a Professional breeder,only because this isn't my main source of income, but I do take exception to being called a novice. In my opinion I'm a hobbyist. I currently have more than 50 ball pythons in my collection,and have been breeding and keeping them for more than 5 years now, the only reason that I haven't set up at any shows as of yet is because this is the first year I've had good enough breeding results that I feel like I could actually set up at a show and make money. Thats not easy to do when you have to compete with guys like Ian G, BHB and such, when all you have is a half dozen spiders, pastels and yellowbelly's.
I think part of the allure to the people who buy these morphs is the possibility of being the first to create a morph combo and being able to name it.
I would really like some feedback from some of the big breeders like Ralph, Kevin, Brian etc.
I would like to reiterate that i'm not trying to make any enemies with this post, rather i would like some intelligent discussion on the matter.

that is so funny, my post was initialy directed at mike bell!

If one of the big breeders like Ralph, Kevin or Brian named it the 8 legged Clown, I bet you would not sheeze down their neck would you, an average hobbyist creates the first one and he's not alowed to name it what he wants, give me a break dude!

Snakes, Spiders, Clowns. Sounds like a phobia to me!

I change my vote to this one! Very good
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.0 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

LOL - I am terrified of Clowns, although Snakes and Spiders I adore, but you are right, those are 3 big phobias for most people. I was thinking "Cider Ball" but that's not nearly as funny.
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Ball Pythons
1.1 100% het Caramel Albinos (Edward & Bella)
0.1 66% ph Caramel Albino (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel Albino (Bellatrix)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Pastel Orange Ghost (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Ghost(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.3 Baby 66% ph Caramel Albinos (Edward x Bella)
2.1 Baby Pastels (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Bloodred (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Bloodred poss het Anery Lav (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lav (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.22 Babies (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Babies (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

Whatever you call it, eventually one of its combos has to be called a "Killer Clown From Outer Space" (LOL)!

If anyone is interested at this point, the clown came out of its shell today.

awesome clutch and always remember that. Alot of the problem with this thread is that there are soooo many different names for existing morphs and combos that alot of people are getting tired of the naming game. In my opinion this combo does deserve a new name as it has not been done and nothing close to it is out there so any confusion should not happen. I can also see the point of just calling it what it is. The bottom line is that it's your snake and you get the choice. This is one circumstance that I could see you doing either and it should be excepted.

Now what I would like to see is chocolates and sables merging, lessers and butters being called butters since those were brought in and named first, vanillas and thunders merging(does anyone other than Tom call them thunders?), bananas and coral glows merging, sugars and calicos being called the same, fires and sulfers being called fires, the list goes on and on. That is where the confusion lies.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

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you make an excellent point Josh. Part of my thought process in considering what to call it is that alot of people find spiders and clowns creepy. For now i'm undecided on which way i'm going to go with the name. I will keep you posted.

If it is infect a first you should call it a Jack-in-the-Box. Nice snake very good job!

Unless you can come up with, or ask for help and decide on a COOL name, I would leave it Spider Clown. I think when the Spider Pastel Clown is produced, it will be called a Clown Bee or Bee Clown, which makes sense. For just a Clown Spider, I would be careful and either leave it simple and call it what it is, or figure out a very, very cool name, if you must name it.

That's a first as far as I know.

>>Here it is, a Spider Clown. Since I've never seen one I didn't want to name which morph it was until I was 100% sure. Sorry if that upset some of you. Thanks to the majority of you who posted kind words.
>>Now the question is, has it already been done? If not should I give it a name or just leave it at Spider Clown?
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.0 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Python; Bci; Bcl; Bco
www.supercoilconstrictors.com
LEARNING PREVENTS IGNORANCE OF THAT WHICH SURROUNDS YOU...AS LONG AS THE SOURCE FROM WHICH YOU LEARN IS A VALID ONE.

Congrat's!!! It's going to be fun watching the colors deveolop as that one matures!
- Paul

and compare it to what I hope are Spider Clowns....

I have had four clutches this year that I have been trying to hatch out a Spider Clown....

I've hatched out some weird clowns but nothing that I was expecting.... they are weird looking with weird heads but your snake has the Spider like body where the snakes that I have hatched seem more towards the Clown side of things...

My comp is DEAD and crashed a week ago so I can not put up pics since all is lost at the moment....

Very cool!! Yours looks more of what I'd expect...

SATAN
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Thanks SATAN. I sent you a pm.

Dave
High End Royal Pythons