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Mandarin rat snake...

SouthernSerpent Sep 02, 2010 07:43 PM

I am interested in mandarin rat snakes. We don't see them offered in our area, and have only seen them on the internet. I have a few questions about them though.

What is their average and maximum adult lengths?
What kind of temperment do they have?
What kind of husbandry techniques are called for?
Do they go through a hibernation period?
If you breed a pair, what kind of clutch sizes are to be expected?

Any other useful information would be appreciated on top of this if it's not too much trouble. I think these are a very beautiful species, and am studying up on them for the future, hoping to acquire some at a point in the next year or two.

Thanks.
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Replies (3)

pinelandsghost Sep 05, 2010 02:12 AM

Hi, I won't make claim to being an expert or breeder of mandarins though I have bred them. I have had them for a number of years and they are not all that hard to keep. Gathering advice from those who kept them before me and for the internet has made them pretty easy to keep. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.

"What is their average and maximum adult lengths?"
I have a breeding pair that are about as big as a good sized corn snake, say 4' each. I have seen pics of individuals that appear to reach over 5'.

"What kind of temperment do they have?"
Generally calm but can be tempermental thowing hissy fits slapping thier tail or abruply jerking thier body. It can be comical as its not as much a warning as it appears to be a temper tantrum. The breeding pair have can be voratious feeders and I have to becareful to avoid being bitten around feeding time. They will calm down to be held, though the female has once calmly turned and chomped down on my wrist. Not because she was mean or was out of sorts, but because she simply was hungary. Mandarins can be king snake stupid at times.

"What kind of husbandry techniques are called for?"
Cooler temps are a must, around the low 70's down to the high 60s. They are kept as low as I can in my reptile room. No extra heat is provided beyond the ambiant room temp. They are somewhat secretive so I give mine aspen shavings to bury in and a hide.(the breeder pair do take turns prowling though) In the vision cage they have a large plastic coffee can that works well for my other snakes but prefer to coil in or under a simple page of newspaper laid on the bedding. Because these snakes are kept cooler they do not eat as large a meal and as often as american rats thier size. Feeding them heavy may comprimise thier health.
I know people who do and thier snakes grow fast power feeding but its always a risk with any snake and more so with mandarins.

"Do they go through a hibernation period?"
If your breeding them yes. I'll separate mine to sterolite tubs and place them on the floor dropping thier temps in the low 60's for about two months in the winter feeding very small mice 3 weeks apart, if they want it at all.

"if you breed a pair, what kind of clutch sizes are to be expected?"
I got a clutch of 7 eggs this year which I was told is unusually high as 4-5 are more common. Unfortunately I ended up with one baby as they were laid when I was away and were not noticed by the person I had caring for my collection. Only two hatched and the first of them died that day. The lone survivor is strong and beautiful though. Note that incubation temps are lower also being in the mid 70's as opposed to 80-82 for most other rat snakes.

They are in some ways esier to keep than some other snakes like pythons or other tropicals that suffer if they get a chill. I think if you get a pair you'll be happy.
If you buy online and ship a pair, wait for cooler temps as if subjected to heat they won't make it.
Hope this answers your questions.
Good luck with them, Mike.

ratsnakehaven Sep 05, 2010 11:37 PM

Hi, Mike. That's an interesting response and I appreciate the time and effort relating your experience. I have to question how much emphasis you put on keeping Mandarins cool, however. I don't think they should be kept in the low 70's all the time. I think they should be able to handle high 70's and up to around 82*F. during the day, cooler at night, since they are pretty much nocturnal. Although they live in montane habitats they also live in quite low latitudes which have very hot and humid summers.

Brumation is probably good for breeding as they likely brumate in the wild for anywhere from two to about five months, depending on where they live.

Regards...Terry

>>Hi, I won't make claim to being an expert or breeder of mandarins though I have bred them. I have had them for a number of years and they are not all that hard to keep. Gathering advice from those who kept them before me and for the internet has made them pretty easy to keep. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.
>>
>>"What is their average and maximum adult lengths?"
>>I have a breeding pair that are about as big as a good sized corn snake, say 4' each. I have seen pics of individuals that appear to reach over 5'.
>>
>>"What kind of temperment do they have?"
>>Generally calm but can be tempermental thowing hissy fits slapping thier tail or abruply jerking thier body. It can be comical as its not as much a warning as it appears to be a temper tantrum. The breeding pair have can be voratious feeders and I have to becareful to avoid being bitten around feeding time. They will calm down to be held, though the female has once calmly turned and chomped down on my wrist. Not because she was mean or was out of sorts, but because she simply was hungary. Mandarins can be king snake stupid at times.
>>
>>"What kind of husbandry techniques are called for?"
>>Cooler temps are a must, around the low 70's down to the high 60s. They are kept as low as I can in my reptile room. No extra heat is provided beyond the ambiant room temp. They are somewhat secretive so I give mine aspen shavings to bury in and a hide.(the breeder pair do take turns prowling though) In the vision cage they have a large plastic coffee can that works well for my other snakes but prefer to coil in or under a simple page of newspaper laid on the bedding. Because these snakes are kept cooler they do not eat as large a meal and as often as american rats thier size. Feeding them heavy may comprimise thier health.
>>I know people who do and thier snakes grow fast power feeding but its always a risk with any snake and more so with mandarins.
>>
>>"Do they go through a hibernation period?"
>>If your breeding them yes. I'll separate mine to sterolite tubs and place them on the floor dropping thier temps in the low 60's for about two months in the winter feeding very small mice 3 weeks apart, if they want it at all.
>>
>>"if you breed a pair, what kind of clutch sizes are to be expected?"
>>I got a clutch of 7 eggs this year which I was told is unusually high as 4-5 are more common. Unfortunately I ended up with one baby as they were laid when I was away and were not noticed by the person I had caring for my collection. Only two hatched and the first of them died that day. The lone survivor is strong and beautiful though. Note that incubation temps are lower also being in the mid 70's as opposed to 80-82 for most other rat snakes.
>>
>>They are in some ways esier to keep than some other snakes like pythons or other tropicals that suffer if they get a chill. I think if you get a pair you'll be happy.
>>If you buy online and ship a pair, wait for cooler temps as if subjected to heat they won't make it.
>>Hope this answers your questions.
>> Good luck with them, Mike.
>>
>>

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pinelandsghost Sep 14, 2010 01:46 AM

Hi Terry, I really don't make rocket science out of it. I keep mostly colubreds so my reptile room stays at an average of 75-78 degrees never reaching 80. In the winter months the room averages about 70-72. I use an oil filled space heater to compliment the baseboard heater running through the room. There is air circulation with an UV air purifier running on low 24/7 but the ceiling temp does go 2-3 degrees above floor level.
Most everything but the mandarins have heat tape running under the tanks or tubs. The two ball pythons and the big white lip have additional heat and are kept higher in the room. The mandys are kept mid to low level with no tape or added heat. When brumating in the colder months they are in sterolite tubs on the floor (a 1/2" sheet of pink foam insulation under the tub keeps the cold of the floor itself from radiating through).
In short Mandarins wouldn't do well 80 and up, 60 and below but thats not to say they are fragile because they are not.
They do have more of a need to feel secure by burying deep in aspen shavings or with mine I lay a sheet of newspaper which the coil under. If they don't get this they will stress and probably not feed. Give them these things and they will do fine.
Oh and sorry I didn't answer your question earlier. I've been out and about.
Mike.

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