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WOOHOO, I was wrong!!!

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 01:52 AM

I had Ann on the "not gravid" list from this breeding season. She was not overly plump, slender in fact. When I checked for baby heartbeats with my fetal heart monitor, I could not find any. She was off food and I did witness multiple mating events including several tails wraps and what I thought at the time was an ovulation. From the mating activity, Visual ovulation and subsequent shed I had due 09/02 but like I said to begin with I had concluded she was not gravid.

Turns out I was wrong, she was gravid with a small litter. And to top it off, she delivered them ON her due date just to prove all those breeding events I witnessed were in fact what they looked like!

I found her out of the hide today and noticed she looked a little thinner than I thought she had been. I also noticed what looked like a baby in the hide. Cool!!

Pulled out the hide and found a fairly recently deposited litter of babies and slugs. Six babies and 5 slugs. The babies are fairly large at 35 grams each and great ratio of 2.4!!





Interesting piece of the genetic puzzle is the father is Baroque, one of my pearl animals and none of the babies are pearls. I was just discussing it earlier today and heard the pearls came from two Bullseyes that were bred together. So either line bred trait or maybe some variable expression co-dominant type trait?? Still needs a lot of work and breeding trials to determine how this phenotype is produced.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Replies (19)

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 02:03 AM

Last check before off to bed and found another baby that had been hiding. now it's 3.4!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

hkt2000 Sep 03, 2010 07:56 AM

Hi Dave,

Congrats! Nice litter.

It looks like the baby in the 3rd photo (in your hand) may be a bullseye or have some bullseyeing? Leading further to the theory that that pearl could be a possible a co-dominant trait?

hkt2000 Sep 03, 2010 07:57 AM

hrm. I hit the enter key before typing in my signature.

Ralph

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 10:22 AM

Yeah, I caught that as well, interesting stuff.

I am NOT saying this is any form of morph (something more than a line bred phase), just speculating on possibilities.

And IMO it may not be "Bullseye" only. It could be that the "trait" is variable and while those that have "bullseyes" could clearly be carriers, could also be some of the others with near bullseyes are also carriers. And, just to muddy things up, some of the other lines that throw bullseyes might not be related to the extreme version pearls?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

amazondoc Sep 03, 2010 12:57 PM

There is soooooo much variation in crescents....surely it is multigenic?
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 02:29 PM

Agreed that most if not all crescent variations are polygenic. But will still continue to look for those that are monogenic!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Z_G_Reptiles Sep 03, 2010 08:36 AM

Congrats Dave, sometimes it's not so bad to be wrong, even twice in a row, lol. Lookin good
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Zack Greens Reptiles

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 10:23 AM

Thanks Zack, I did look back on my records and had her listed as maybe?????
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Paul_D Sep 03, 2010 10:09 AM

Sometimes it's nice to be wrong

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Paul D


www.MoonlightBoas.com

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 10:24 AM

Thankjs Paul, I'll take being wrong like that any day!!!! How are the Dum's?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Paul_D Sep 03, 2010 10:27 AM

The Baby Dumerils are awesome. Unlike baby BRBs, they haven't tried to bite me once. They're super mellow, even as newborns.

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Paul D


www.MoonlightBoas.com

brick1 Sep 03, 2010 11:58 AM

great that you were wrong....
interesting about having no pearls in there.
Have you mated a male pearl to anything else this year??
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 12:04 PM

Same male also bred Betty, not due until 09/26.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

IkeLightner Sep 03, 2010 02:35 PM

Cliff, I think you just summed up my thoughts exactly on the crescent pattern/pearl/bullseye subject. I agree with you that it isnt a shock that the single pearl paired with an othewise "normal" patterned snake wouldn't produce offspring showing pearl patterns...I'm not sure that just made sense, haha

To Dave,

Congrats on the great mistake!!
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Ike Lightner

2.3 BRB (Dugo, Sultan, Roxy, Brazita, & Lucille)

IkeLightner Sep 03, 2010 02:55 PM

ooops forgot to add this to my last post......its not like I know, ha, but this is just my guesstimate
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Ike Lightner

2.3 BRB (Dugo, Sultan, Roxy, Brazita, & Lucille)

rainbowsrus Sep 03, 2010 03:34 PM

Yeah, I'm in the same frame of mind that most crescent variations are tied to multiple genes and therefore not simple on/off mechanisms. Makes it harder to produce the look you want reliably. Ah well!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

waspinator421 Sep 04, 2010 01:46 PM

Awesome Dave! I am surprised that you didn't get anything different from that Pearl male. I would have expected at least some fat crescents or a bullseye to pop out. Interesting.....
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Aubrey Ross

©
www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

rainbowsrus Sep 04, 2010 03:07 PM


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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

waspinator421 Sep 04, 2010 05:54 PM

Yeah, I saw that one, but I guess I meant to a bit more of an extreme.
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Aubrey Ross

©
www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

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