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And still nothing, she has produced a waxy stool yesterday. And is now in her moist box, which she hasnt been in for weeks.
Maybe tonight she will drop, maybe not.
suspense is killing me though

cheers
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Hang in there Dave, waxy stool and movement are good signs for her being almost ready to drop!!!

Super shallow water dish with only a little water.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

yeah everything is ready for her. But its driving me up the wall, the suspense!! its 4am, and i just got home from work. No luck yet, so its 8 days since the stillborn.....
live and learn i guess....
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

I understand, the longer they cook the better. And this experience is all a learning curve. But it really is like watching a kettle boil.
Everyday i come into the snake room thinking, nah she wont have dropped yet, and every day im right, again...
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Dave!! Are you frustrated yet? Welcome to my world. Breeding snakes you have some great outcomes and some dismal ones. Waiting to see which one it is going to be is nerve wracking. Longer is probably better with this litter but you have to wonder if the rest of the litter is doing okay or slowly perishing.

OMG, we seem to have found gloom and doom Jeff instead of GROUCHY Jeff today. LOL

Gloom and doom is right, you should be spanked for saying that "out loud" in front of the expectant "father"!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Jeff, when she dropped that first stillborn, my first concern in the coming days was that, the others got stuck and would slowly rot away inside of her. Given she has lasted this long, still looks fine, and is moving in between hide box and out etc. Im thinking this hasnt happened. Maybe maybe she manage to expel a baby that was going to make it.
Im still learning.
Plus a massive waxy stoll again this morning.
Still waiting for the kettle to boil....
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Dave,
....At this point you want to know what is going on. The best tool to have at home in situations like this is a fetal heart monitor. As large as that premie was live babies still in there will have very loud and easily found heart tones. No fetal heart tones at this time would tell me that there is a problem. Alternatively you could have her x-rayed to see what the babies look like though that would not tell necessarily you if they were alive or not. Dead babies would be starting to decompose and an x-ray might show gassy pockets around them. An x-ray should not be too expensive. To have a vet do an ultrasound which would produce the most information for you might be very expensive. Waiting and watching like you are doing the most important things to watch for are violent contractions with no result or signs of infection. Either one would require veterinary intervention and probably would not have a good outcome. Keep a good attitude, at least better than mine which should be easy. I have had good results after what looked much more like a very dire end to a litter.
Jeff

Hey Dave, There's not really anything you can do at this point. As long as mom is not looking like she's in trouble all you can do is wait and pace.

Sometimes it goes great, sometimes not. All you can do is keep trying. Keep us posted on her progress. These type threads are very important IMO. Many see all the litters of pretty new babies and don't get the point it's not all roses and not typically all that easy. I've had some very dismal failures over the years. And I've had some extreme highs. Overall I would not trade any one of the outcomes - good is not good without bad to contrast it to.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

cheers dave.
Yeah i totally agree that things do not always turn out as planned. Nothing in this world goes 100% how you want it to...
Its just in this case, im really stumped as to know what to do. I have another snake friend come over yesterday, who has bred brbs, on and off for 20yrs. He seemed to think she still had a while to go, even after the stillborn was produced. The babies still seem high in her body. But that everything was still going ok. ie she doesnt look like she is on deaths door
But she produced another waxy stool today, and is out of her hide again.

arghhhh
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Dave

15.24 brbs
4.8 crbs
Im an aussie in an arctic environment
Helsinki, Finland

Typically I see females staying put for weeks before giving birth, only occasionally coming out of the moss hide to get a drink or soak. Waxy stool is typically followed by a couple of days of noticeable increase in movement, out of the hide, in the water bowl, in a corner, back in the hide etc. etc. "restless behavior"

Once I see them moving around like that, I'm watching even closer for babies. More often than not my first indication of babies is a skinny mom outside the hide.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats