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One normal Speckled King......
It couldn't be anything else but Holbrooki but I don't want to get into it again......LOL

This lone Het male and 10 Amels......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

pure getula baby pure getula gotta love'um holbrooki,splendida,nigra, or combo of all WHO CARES? however the fact remains no holbrooki yellowup like they momma did amel or otherwise and being you dont know the origins of her beyond a petshop i beleive saying trueblue holbrooki is suspect but WHATEVER just my opinion, at anyrate nice looking lil speckled king john. wheres the amels? i'll get some pics of mine up this week.,,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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LMAO!!,...I guess that was a feeble attempt at "fighting ignorance with knowledge" huh??..HAHAHAA!!

I just gotta say though, with "knowledge" like that, who the heck needs any ignorance...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

no douggie just stating my opinion not battling ignorance, get a life.
,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Thanks Thomas.......
I am waiting on the am els to shed then I will post some pics of them......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Yeah John, I don't see any Banana Cal.king goin on there either..LOL!

Of course we both knew that anyway and was never even a question to begin with.

That's a sweet speck there man!,....got any pics of the other amel's we can all ogle at??

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very interesting, John. I'd be interested to see if it "speckles up" as it grows like most holbrooki.
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1.2.0 Hondurans Het Amel
1.1.0 Hondurans Anery, Het Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo, Het Anery
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0.1.0 Corn Bloodred
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0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana

Nearly all the juvenile Holbrooki I've seen have the thin crossbars on their dorsum and speckle out.

It seems the Amels and Lavenders keep these crossbars into adulthood though.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Here's one of the amels.....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

And a great pose too!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>And a great pose too!

Thanks........ I like capturing them with their tongues out.........

Plus......have you noticed holbrooki are WAY more nippier than splendida.......and smaller out of the egg.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

And they don't grow as quickly as floridana either. I have been pumping one of my two females cause she has the best chance of being able to mate this next spring and there's no comparison to the Brooks.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>And they don't grow as quickly as floridana either. I have been pumping one of my two females cause she has the best chance of being able to mate this next spring and there's no comparison to the Brooks.
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

I didn't mention brooks or floridana but yea......they do grow faster than holbrooki and splendida.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

i know lol. I was comparing them to Floridana. I only ever had one clutch of Splendida and it was crossed with Cal king.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>i know lol. I was comparing them to Floridana. I only ever had one clutch of Splendida and it was crossed with Cal king.
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The only reason I even brought this up was because I once thought splendida and holbrooki were pattern variations of a single subspecies........ Now after hatching a number of clutches from each I can see many differences......not to mention different habitats....... Splendida are found in more arid areas...... Holbrooki are nearly always found close to water......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I think holbrooki are not as robust as splendida in general. They appear to have more distinct head and neck regions as opposed to splendida that remind me more of eastern kings with thicker necks and less head/neck differentiation. Specks are more like cal kings with that respect IMO. Also, I have had specks for several years that would be considered well into adulthood by any measure based on the time they were in my collection. This was WAY before my breeding days, etc. The point is, one specimen which was probably female didnt really exceed thirty inches or so in length the entire four to five years I had her in my collection. It was about 1.5 times the diameter of a quarter in girth too!!! Not a very big snake at all. Then, the other extreme appears to be the huge four plus foot males you can find from time to time!!

Spendidas seem to almost be the link between Californias and Speckleds and really they are. I love the transition of the getulas from Cali to Desert to Specks then Chains and florida. Oh and the Nigra and Nigritus in the mix also.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra