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APB: Pinellas king, what's your 20?

turtlejo Sep 09, 2010 10:37 AM

I suppose I could just sum up this post with one sentence—“Anyone out the know where I could get a Pinellas locale kingsnake?”—but maybe including some more information will inspire or guilt some folks into helping me out here.

Backstory: Recently there was a post on the General Snakes forum about which unkeepable/unobtainable snake you would most like to have. I could only really think of one individual animal: the huge male Pinellas king at the nature center I used to visit as a kid. This one snake may be the entire reson that I love reptiles today. I always wanted to find one in the wild, and he became the standard for what I picture any time someone says “kingsnake”. That post inspired me to try to purchase a Pinellas king, since I am in the process of selecting and purchasing what will be my final snake for many years (wife’s orders, though I don’t mind). This idea led to…

The process so far: The only mention I could find online of a Pinellas animal was on Mr. K’s old website (Names have been omitted here. Everyone in the process has been very positive and helpful, but I don’t know if they want their names bandied about on a public forum.) When I contacted Mr. K, he said that he had sold all of his animals and retired, but that Mr. P had purchased his breeding stock, and Mr. K2 might also have one or two. Mr. P returned my email immediately, saying he had some recent hatchlings that had not yet fed, but that after the Daytona show he would get back to me. I didn’t hear from him for weeks. In that time I contacted Mr. K2, who has one animal, but not for breeding purposes. I didn’t want to bug Mr. P, but finally called him the other day. It turned out that, due to critical health issues, he had made the wise decision to sell off all of his excess animals, and the Pinellas babies went to Mr. L, who lives out of state. Unfortunately, P did not have L’s contact info, so I had to call yet another guy to get L’s info. I emailed him, and he is saving all of the babies for a breeding program, and has none available.

SO! As you can see, it has been a confusing and slightly frustrating road. I am and have been very determined to track down a Pinellas king. This is my last-ditch effort, I don’t think that I will have the patience to wait a year for another set of hatchlings, and I am hoping that someone out there in the virtual kingsnake world knows where I could get the animal of my dreams. My very strong preference is to get a hatchling male (for his larger size, not breeding purposes), though it wouldn’t break my heart to get a female and/or a SLIGHTLY older animal. I want to cherish this snake for its full lifetime, but am wondering if I will ever even meet him. Thanks for reading, hope you are all doing well.

-Jonathan
bigsubjo@msn.com

Replies (15)

KevinM Sep 09, 2010 10:54 AM

Jonathan, that was a cool story and I wish I could help. Its amazing how hard it is nowadays to find something resembling what kindled our childhood fascination back in the day. Based on your story, I certainly admire your efforts and feel your agony in your search!!! All I can say is if that is truly what you want, be persistent, keep all the contact info you have gathered and STAY in regular contact with the persons that can help you. It will pay off eventually and you dont need to settle for "second best". Also, by keeping regular contact with the persons that do have them, you could wind up being first on their list if anything "falls through the cracks" with respect to their holdbacks, etc. I have kept animals bound and determined to work on projects, etc., only to wind up selling them off a few months after the epiphany to hold them back wore off LOL!!

I truly wish you good luck in this effort!!!

varanid Sep 09, 2010 12:32 PM

I have no idea where to send you for what you seek.

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Jeff Schofield Sep 09, 2010 12:38 PM

I understand your story, there are a few like it every year that make us long for our roots. Sympathy. Unfortunately REALITY hits us in the face. Those snakes of your youth are all dead. If they had offspring the changing habitat certainly changed them(if there is any left), possibly even to a point where they were unrecognizable to you. And even if they were recognizable to you and kept precious in your collection what YOU hold dear is obviously not what many others do. Once they left your collection they would most certainly end up in the hodge podge that is non-locale snakes simply because they arent worth($$$) the time and effort it takes to keep them commercially available. Wives aside, the reason you want one of these is because you dont have one or cant get one. Once you do you will lose that sense of longing you have now....and they will become REAL, and soon they will be "just" kings. You will have a hard time giving the babies away and you will be frustrated that others dont share your childhood dream. It happens. Granted the grass is always greener but sometimes its best to hold on to memories for what they are not what you want to make them into. Know what I mean??

FoxTurtle Sep 09, 2010 01:02 PM

ha.

Jeff Schofield Sep 09, 2010 01:58 PM

I meant it to be a thinking post....once you get that "perfect" snake it takes alot of fun out of keeping/breeding/collecting. Because it will die, and alot of interest in snakes usually dies with it. I think thats why "making" one of your own is a bit more meaningful..

turtlejo Sep 09, 2010 04:39 PM

Jeff- thanks for the advice. I will certainly take it into consideration. Given your base of knowledge and experience, such an extremely negative response to my request will definitely leave me wondering whether my "dream snake" is actually the one that I should get.

a153fish Sep 09, 2010 06:52 PM

If he had some he'd be the first to say, "I got some"!
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Jeff Schofield Sep 09, 2010 07:14 PM

Well believe it or not I was not trying to be negative. I was only trying to temper the "fire" that we have all had at one point or another. If there are guys breeding them by all means search them out, that is exactly what this forum and this site is for! I should have just left you with the ancient Chinese proverb---The only thing worse than not getting what you always wanted in this life is getting it! Once you get them soon after you will understand what I am talking about.

FoxTurtle Sep 09, 2010 01:10 PM

Mr L bought those snakes from Mr P partially because he remembered me mentioning that locale to him. I have a lot of Pinellas kings, but they run a lot lighter than the classic black and cream look.

There are still a few other people around that keep and breed this locale.

turtlejo Sep 09, 2010 04:27 PM

Thanks. Actually, the king that inspired this "hunt" was relatively light for a Pinellas snake... I heard it mentioned by a couple people that you owned some from this locale, but I couldn't find any way of contacting you directly. Hoped you'd see this post and respond. But I'll assume that you don't have any younguns available, or otherwise you'd have offered?

FoxTurtle Sep 09, 2010 07:33 PM

Didn't produce any this year. Going to make it happen this coming season!

snakeman103 Sep 09, 2010 02:25 PM

Of course Mr. P is Lindsey Pike & if he does not have any for sale this year you should wait for next year since he bought (Mr. K) Len Krysko's stock when he disposed of his animals.

ChristopherD Sep 09, 2010 04:37 PM

Here is a baby i got from gulf Coast a few years back ,i love the sulfer ground color and actcentuated reds

JYohe Sep 09, 2010 06:14 PM

I get the cool story, funny, normal when you want stuff...

I'm still stuck on WTH is a Pinella's King?....

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turtlejo Sep 09, 2010 08:35 PM

Yeah, sorry about that. After I typed up my original post, I realized that many people may not be familiar with Pinellas County, FL. There is a variation of kingsnake here in Pinellas that is (to my knowledge) considered by most to be L. g. floridana with relic traits of L. g. getula, though some may consider it an intergrade between the two. The Pinellas kings tend to be larger than most Florida kings, and with a darker pattern that seems to resemble Easterns. This is due to our county being a peninsula, and thus subject to different evolutionary pressures and possibly genetic migration from most populations of kingsnakes in southern FL. Even populations just across the bridge in Hillsborough County tend to be lighter in color overall, with brighter yellows, different numbers of band counts, smaller size...

My bad.

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