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hello i am new to the posting on here but just had a question for some of you. i aquired this corn snake in a deal. the girl i got it from said she bought it from petco or petsmart and she was told it was a "normal". the reason i am asking is because when i took it to have it sexed the guy at the pet store asked what kind it was. in fact i have had the snake at 3 different stores and no one can tell me what it is. they say it has some different coloring then they are used to seeing.any help would be appreciated. thank you

ps sorry but my pictures didnt show up on the first post and cant figure out how to delete it.

That's a pretty tough call to get a definite answer as to exactly what it is without any history on it's genetic origin, but it looks like it "could" be a caramel to me.

See, at this age it is typically hard to tell anyway with these, because they tend to change so drastically as they mature into their adult coloration. But it does look like a possible caramel. And they typically develop more yellow/gold as they mature.

~Doug
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thank you very much for your input. i was told by someonelse the same thing

>>thank you very much for your input. i was told by someonelse the same thing

that view looking down on the second pic just something about it looks jungle to me.
Especially the nose and saddles...
could be way off but it just doesn't really look cararmel to me.
of course I've been wrong many times before...
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thats my problem and i undrstand about not knowing its origin. but ive been told POSSIBLE jungle,caramel,maybe some butter somewhere in him and even maybe butterscotch. i know its almost impossible for an exact type so i appreciate any and all ideas

You will never know what that snake is without knowing its genetic history. There are some morphs that cannot be identified by looking at a photo or even seeing in person. I'm pretty sure that snake isn't a normal though.

Although it looks somewhat like carmels, ghosts and even brown anerythristics I've seen, it does not seem to conveniently fit into any of these categories. It is definately not butter, because it does not express the amel gene.

The lack of red is interesting. If I had to venture a guess, I'd agree with Jimmy and say it's a Jungle Corn, which is a hybrid. That snake looks like it's 75% Corn Snake and 25% California King. Structurally, the snout is shorter and more rounded that most "pure" Corns.

But as I said earlier, you will never know for sure what that snake is. If you are serious about genetics, it is best to buy your stock from a reputable breeder.

Tim

Definitely not butter, as that has an amel base. I've never even heard of a butterscotch.

Doug, somebody finally showed you a critter that had you stumped!Lol! Jeff

LOL!!,....yeah Jeff, there is just know way anyone on earth can just pop in here and claim any certainty on exactly what that snake is. What things might "look" like and what they actually are can be totally different things as you know.

It's like there are many multiple homozygous corns out now that pretty much "look" like snow variations, but they are definitely FAR from being snows..LOL!

Certain snakes are extremely easy to ID, and some are just virtually impossible as many of us know without being certain of their genetic origin.

later bud!, ~Doug
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>>hello i am new to the posting on here but just had a question for some of you. i aquired this corn snake in a deal. the girl i got it from said she bought it from petco or petsmart and she was told it was a "normal". the reason i am asking is because when i took it to have it sexed the guy at the pet store asked what kind it was. in fact i have had the snake at 3 different stores and no one can tell me what it is. they say it has some different coloring then they are used to seeing.any help would be appreciated. thank you
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not sure but it looks to me like it could be a jungle
these are california king/corn snake crosses.
This one looks kind of like a jungle was bred back to a pure corn resulting in a jungle with more corn then king.
simply guessing...hard to know.
another possibility is a rootbeer (emoryi rat/corn cross)
not usually the colors you would see in an emoryi/corn cross but once again...you never know.
I lean towards jungle at this time
notice I said jungle and not jungle corn...a lot of people call them jungle corns which to me insinuates it is a corn snake morph.
It's not it is a hybrid....a california king/corn snake cross so I simply call them jungles....leave off the corn.

I'll probably go back and study the photos again and come up with something entirely different..."shrug"
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I was thinking hybrid myself..though I wouldn't call myself an expert... Also, though the snake looks small some of the fading in the saddles makes me think its older than it's size would indicate...maybe a year old or older who never achieved a decent size/weight to grow properly? There really isn't a good neck shot for me to see the typical lake coming 'yellow' most corns get along their necks once they are about half a year old.

Do you have a length, weight and/or age on this guy?
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Could be a hybrid... or a really really tan/brown anery. Can you get a picture of his eye for us?

A jungle sells for more then what a wholesaler would get from petco, or petsmart. AND Caramels have been known to pop up at petco from time to time.

Hypo emori x:

I disagree. "Jungles" are cheaper or the same price than virtually any "pure" morph of Corn or California Kingsnake. I was just at a show where people were selling Corns, California Kings, and "Jungles" - there were pretty much all in the same price range. There is no "special value" to Jungle Corns.

Tim

>>A jungle sells for more then what a wholesaler would get from petco, or petsmart. AND Caramels have been known to pop up at petco from time to time.
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>>Hypo emori x:
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a caramel is worth more then a jungle...at least to me
I've seen jungles in big lots of wholesale hatchlings and have also seen jungles for $15.00 to $25.00 at shows....If you can't sell them at market prices you do what you need to to get rid of them...It may or may not be a jungle, almost impossible to tell from the photos, but I don't think a theoretical price or value is a good determining factor for morph or species.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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>>>>I work with hypo emoryis (cinnamons) and I just don't see hypo emoryi in that snake...may be there...we just don't know but from the experience I've had working with cinnamons I just don't see it.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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