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We just got into cornsnakes and we have two males and two females(at least we're pretty sure).

We're pretty familiar with names of the different morphs now, but there are some that are iffy and I figured we could ask the pros for the 100% name.

Drako!

Shroomy!

ChompChomp!

Dora! The picture makes her look a lighter bit red, but she's more of the tan red.

Also curious if these colors would mix well together, since they're all similar. They sure do look pretty in the same area together.

I'm sorry, I forgot to resize. If you need me to, let me know!

>>I'm sorry, I forgot to resize. If you need me to, let me know!

they don't need to be re-sized, they need to be clearer.
try to take a few more pics but don't try to get quite so close...even with cell cameras you can get fairly clear shots if you don't try to get too close.
I have an idea of what you have but ....
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Going by pure phenotype(looks) alone, they look to be from top to bottom.......

* amel(albino)

* snow(amel x anerythristic)

* normal(who knows what it may or may not be het for)

* hypomelanistic

As Jimmy stated, those were some pretty fuzzy pics..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I second this.

Those were my thoughts too. But I agree with the others, try to get not so close up pics, the stuff on the table is clear so whatever distance you were from those things would be a better distance to hold your snakes at. I love the names.

As for mixing, it's not as simple as just putting two pretty snakes together to get pretty babies. You'll have to read up about genetics and how it works. Maybe someone here can steer you to a good website that discusses genetics. I know there are several out there but don't have any bookmarked.

Here are the different colored snakes I got breeding two normal looking snakes together because both of the normal ones carried 5 different recessive genes... It's a bit much to wrap your head around at first but once you get it, it's loads of fun!

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Hypo (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.3 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel (Edward x Bella)
2.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.22 Babies (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Babies (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

I agree with Doug:

Amel
Snow
Normal
Hypo

The only way to create most morphs is to breed snakes carrying the same genetic traits together. In your case snow carries the amel gene, so breeding it to the amel (assuming they're opposite sexes) would give you all amel offspring (that would be het for anerythristic).

All other breedings of those snakes would result in normal-appearing offspring (assuming they aren't het for anything).

Tim
Third Eye

Cool we did a decent job of figuring out what types they were.

We started learning about the gene stuff a little after buying a few, so it's kind of what we've got to work with.

Don't know the origins of the snakes we've aquired, so we don't know if they're het for anything.

We were acutally going to breed the amel & the snow, so that works out in the long run.

The other two, we'll see. We're not really looking into getting into deep genetics, but it's nice knowing and learning. We've learned a lot.

PS. If you've ever owned a Metropcs phone...you'd understand why the pictures are so crappy. They were fuzzy no matter what we did.

PSS Anyone?!

The snow and the normal came from the same batch, would that help determine the het for it at all?

The Hypo came from a breeder that has a bunch of okeete's...is it possible that it came from somewhere similar?

"The snow and the normal came from the same batch, would that help determine the het for it at all?

The Hypo came from a breeder that has a bunch of okeete's...is it possible that it came from somewhere similar?"

Yes, that makes a huge difference. If the normal corn was hatched from the same exact clutch of eggs the snow was from, then the normal is 100% het for anery AND amel.

Well, there are some true locality hypo Okeetee's out there, but I seriously doubt that is one of these. It doesn't look anything like these. Lava's are a different form of hypo, hypo type "C" that is incompatible with the other hypo forms. That looks to be a typical hypo type "A" animal. Now it could DEFINITELY have some Okeetee phase, or locality lineage crossed into it though, but that is anyone's guess.

But in any case, you know your "normal" is double het amel/anery (snow) if it came from the same clutch the snow did.

Have fun with them!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

On the Snow/Normal same clutch issue:

Depends what the parents were. If one of the parents was a snow and the other het for Amel and Anery then yes, the normal would be 100% double het.

If One parent was Amel het Anery and the other Anery het Amel, then yes your normal would be 100% double het.

However, there is also the possibility both parent were Amel het Anery or both were Anery het Amel in which case you are looking at 100% het for one and 66% poss het for the other.

Or, both parents could have been double hets which would make your normal 66% poss double het.

So in a nutshell, you will have to breed the normal to something with Amel and something with Anery to find out for sure.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Hypo (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.3 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel (Edward x Bella)
2.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.22 Babies (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Babies (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

Yeah, I was thinking about those scenario's just after I hit the post button..LOL!, and you are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks a lot guys! Yall are awesome smarty pants. Yeah it is definitely hard to be sure not knowing origins. I'll be able to let you know how it goes in a year or two....-watches clock-...

This is a fun thing to get into though...I'm starting to loveeee reptiles!

"However, there is also the possibility both parent were Amel het Anery or both were Anery het Amel in which case you are looking at 100% het for one and 66% poss het for the other. "

Actually... that wouldn't work because a pair of amels would have all amel-based babies, and a pair of aneries would have all anery-based babies, precluding the ability for a normal to be in the clutch.

So true. Now that was pretty silly of me not to pick up on that part earlier. It was late and I just assumed I made a mistake. Yes, either of those two scenarios will only make homozygous amels or anerys, no normals.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

no, that one was my bad not yours, just went overboard with scenarios that would produce a snow LOL

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Hypo (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.3 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel (Edward x Bella)
2.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.22 Babies (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Babies (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

Yeah, we ALL make mistakes and/or misjudgements once in a while anyway..LOL!

I "thought" that I made a mistake once,.....but I was apparently mistakin'..HAHAA!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com