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hey guys just wanted to say thanks for all your input about the snake i was trying to figure out(pix below). i just attened a local reptile show yesterday and had several vendors say it was caramel. i was just wondering if there was a way when he got older to breed him out and verify this? again thanks

Only way to know for sure is breed him to a for sure Caramel and see if you get Caramel babies or not...
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Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Hypo (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.3 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel (Edward x Bella)
2.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.22 Babies (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Babies (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

You can breed it to any morph that carries the caramel gene such as a caramel, an amber (hypo caramel), a butter (albino caramel), even other morphs like golddust (ultramel caramel), or sulphur (bloodred or diffused butter). Some folks love the caramel gene and work exclusively with it in the various morphs. If he is a male, you can get some cool looking females to pair him with and have a nice diverse collection concentrating on the caramel gene. I would say go with a butter and amber female to see if he has hidden amel or hypo genes in him as well. Its getting harder and harder to find normal anything these days and most ususally are the byproducts of other multihet pairings.

Well, The original caramel cornsnake was a wild caught animal discovered in a pet shop in 1983 by Rich Zuchowski. This is a simple recessive gene that is thought to possibly be a form of "high-yellow" anerythrism, so since it isn't a combination of any two recessive genes that are responsible for this look, you would have to breed it to a snake that is either a KNOWN straight-up caramel, or breed it to a muliple morph snake that also has this caramel gene in its visual homozygous form, such as a "gold dust" (ultramel x caramel), or "anery caramel", "diffused caramel", etc...

This is really the only way to prove it out.

Good luck with it!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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.......they are very common in the market, and are a combination of caramel x amel(albino), so if the snake is indeed caramel, all the offspring would be caramel's if this snake you have is not also het for butter. And if it is, you will then get a 50% theoretical mix of butters AND caramels. This is what I would get to prove your snake out as a caramel. This way you can produce cool stuff either way!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

....I meant to say...if it is not also het for "amel", not butter, as amel is the gene that is needed along with caramel to make butter's..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>hey guys just wanted to say thanks for all your input about the snake i was trying to figure out(pix below). i just attened a local reptile show yesterday and had several vendors say it was caramel. i was just wondering if there was a way when he got older to breed him out and verify this? again thanks
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I think everyone covered it quite well. Something homozygous caramel.
so caramel, butter or amber would all work to prove it out.
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