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This is my snake.
I just wonder is this an eastern king or not.
Thanks！

www.reptileallsorts.com/lampropeltis/Lampropeltis%20getula%20getula.htm
looks like an eastern to me.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

But I doubt anyone here will care if you call it that. You could call it a pure bred locality Gray-band if you want too, judging by the posts over there they'll never know.

Well, then what is it? I am only familiar with pyros and zonatas.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

It's not an eastern that's for sure...

It resembles a California with splendida influence, similar to , but not quite like a Yuma type, so it may very well be of mixed origin. More and better photos could help with determination but unless the owner has better information it's going to be problematic.

more pic.
I thought it's a desert king,but the side is differrnt

>>more pic.
>>I thought it's a desert king,but the side is differrnt
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we need some guys with more Cal King experience to chime in, like Ross or Kerby or someone else. I'm sticking with my original assessment for now.

If you go by the current labels, its a western king. If its a wild phenotype, its most likely an Az king. You can find individuals like that here.

Or it could be any number of western king crosses.

So Joe, you are right. Cheers

Yeah, I agree with you, Joe. Looks like a king you would find in SE Arizona somewhere.
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a cal king or a cal king integrade IMO.

My wc Cali from Cslaveras County. The other snake doesn't look like this one to me but like I said, am no expert on identifying snakes.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Neither am I with respect to all the subspecies of getula LOL. However, look at the head shape and lip patterns on the OPs snake. It does look similar to the one you posted. Also, there is extreme variability within cal kings based on locality, etc. All cal kings are not identical. My desert phase cal kings look NOTHING like my friends banana cals.

Looks like a Splendida X California intergrade/cross....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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that snake there being a desert phase Cal X Mexican Blk cross. I've owned several of them and they all looked very, very much like that one. I also thought anery Splendida but the black webbing around the white scales doesnt quite work with it being splendida...... Does look sort of like like a yuma phase..... but I dont think so.

byron.d

>>that snake there being a desert phase Cal X Mexican Blk cross. I've owned several of them and they all looked very, very much like that one. I also thought anery Splendida but the black webbing around the white scales doesnt quite work with it being splendida...... Does look sort of like like a yuma phase..... but I dont think so.
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>>byron.d

In my opinion....MBKs are melanistic Splendida....patterned MBKs have a Splendida pattern.....So I agree with you it could be Calking X MBK....

And.....There are no Anery Splendida....only Axanthic Splendida....No red on them to be absent of red (anery).......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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from what i understand there are two lines of axanthic splendida. one looks true - showing the purple waxy look and the other looks more like an anery - black and white - like the snake in this thread.

accurate or not, i've seen splendida referred to as both.

byron.d

>>from what i understand there are two lines of axanthic splendida. one looks true - showing the purple waxy look and the other looks more like an anery - black and white - like the snake in this thread.
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>>accurate or not, i've seen splendida referred to as bo
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Sorry...I hit post on accident, lol....

I know most have seen them labelled both and I believe it is NOT accurate......

I often wondered if a desert phase calking was axanthic......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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they 'could' be called axanthic - by definition..... Right?

The characteristic that I associate with any axanthic is that weird purple color. I never really thought of axanthic Miami County Bulls as being a 'true' axanthic, but they're always referred to as such and by definition they fit the bill.

I dont know what to make of it... I do agree that animals should be represented as what they are though.

byron.d

>>they 'could' be called axanthic - by definition..... Right?
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>>The characteristic that I associate with any axanthic is that weird purple color. I never really thought of axanthic Miami County Bulls as being a 'true' axanthic, but they're always referred to as such and by definition they fit the bill.
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>>I dont know what to make of it... I do agree that animals should be represented as what they are though.
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>>byron.d

Yes Byron.....By definition Axanthic means lacking yellow pigment (xanthin).

Anery means lacking red pigment (erythrin).

An Anery snake can be Axanthic, but an Axanthic Snake cannot be Anery.......

Also for a snake to be Anery the normal phenotype must have red pigment in the first place. When the red is absent it is usually replaced by the lack of pigment (white). A true Anery would be the Anery Black Gap Alterna.....The "Anery" Hondurans were merely Hypoerythristic IMHO.

The Bulls are called true axanthics because the morph has no yellow. They could never be anery because they normally never have red pigment....Just like splendida and calkings.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com