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tough eggs

BrianS. Sep 23, 2010 09:13 PM

A 277 female slugged out for me in the spring. Not sure why, but it happened. I had no desire to double-clutch her, so she never saw the male again.

Well of course, she laid a second clutch of 5 eggs, so she retained the sperm. 4 of the 5 were fertile.

I've used a no substrate incubation this year with great success. So these eggs went in the same set up. About day 30 they started to swell. And continued to swell. It was very odd, they were not in any contact with substrate, so this shouldn't have happened. Finally, they were starting to look ridiculous, so I decided to move them to a container with less humidity, which still didn't seem like a move that would matter. So they still went no substrate, but used a less damp layer of vermiculite under the eggs.

Well, I barely, and I mean, BARELY, touched the egg pile, and 3 of them instantly leaked fluid. 2 of the 3 made an audible noise, and the fluid ran out generously. Enough that it pooled on the plastic.

I'm a BIG fan of "leave them alone" as much as possible. I think eggs are much tougher than most people give them credit. I ran several ideas around in my head, including making a "patch" of sorts out of calcium powder, but in the end, decided to put a small piece of scotch tape over the crack, and let the fluid harden around it.

It stayed visibly wet for about a week, then hardened and turned brown. The eggs continued to candle good, but I wasn't sure if that meant anything. Other spots on the eggs continued to swell, and slightly split, but didn't actually leak at those points. I still have no explanation for the swelling.

A few days back, the eggs began to cave in. And as of today, one has pipped and already came out on his own. A perfect male. The other eggs have yet to pip, so I'm not sure what will happen, but they are sinking in as if they will hatch. If nothing else, I know one is just fine.

So, what seemed like a terrible turn of events, worked out just fine with hardly any intervention from me. Mother Nature is flat out tough.
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Brian Suter

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Replies (6)

DMong Sep 23, 2010 10:33 PM

I am thinking they probably absorbed too much moisture. Eggs are like sponges and when their environment is too damp they can swell and bulge to the point of distorting and rupturing, and even leaking.

Glad you saved a few doing what you did, because as you said, they can overcome alot more than most would think ......up to a given point of course.

~Doug
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BrianS. Sep 24, 2010 08:37 AM

I should have worded it better. I'm sure it was from absorbing too much water that caused the swelling. The part that didn't make sense to me, was that it happened in a no-substrate setup. The eggs should not have been able to absorb too much, they weren't in direct contact with any moisture at all. Only what they could get from the humidity in the air, and that shouldn't cause a problem even at 100%. It would have made sense if they were on wet vermiculite or something that was just too damp, but they weren't.
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Brian Suter

www.serpenteer.com

pyromaniac Sep 24, 2010 08:56 AM

It seems that if the air surrounding the eggs was at 100%, meaning that the air was saturated to the max moisture content, that the eggs would have absorbed all they could take, and then some if there was not enough ventilation to offset the rate of absorption. Sorry, this is a physics question, which I am trying to address with common sense! LOL!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

BrianS. Sep 24, 2010 03:12 PM

Well, here's the thing. It's the same setup I've been using. No excessive condensation, and there was air exchange. The real kicker is that it wasn't the only clutch in the container, there were 2. This clutch had every egg act this way, the other clutch had zero problems.
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Brian Suter

www.serpenteer.com

pyromaniac Sep 24, 2010 07:39 PM

That is quite the mystery! Please let us know how the rest of this clutch turns out.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

amazondoc Sep 24, 2010 11:55 AM

>>The part that didn't make sense to me, was that it happened in a no-substrate setup. The eggs should not have been able to absorb too much, they weren't in direct contact with any moisture at all. Only what they could get from the humidity in the air, and that shouldn't cause a problem even at 100%. It would have made sense if they were on wet vermiculite or something that was just too damp, but they weren't.

I've never incubated a snake egg, but I *have* incubated a lot of bird eggs. With birds, at least, it is entirely possible for them to absorb too much moisture from the air, or conversely they fail to lose enough moisture from the egg. In fact, they sometimes drown in the egg if the surrounding humidity is too high during incubation. So if birds are affected by environmental humidity, I would assume that snakes could be as well.
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