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I have been reading the posts here for months now. I am amazed. I cannot believe folks actually take what is presented here as gospel truth. I have 4 corn snakes residing together in a large tank. It has been this way for about 10 years. This year, my White snake blessed us with a clutch of 17 eggs. I very carefully moved them into a perlite/moist "nursery", and tried to keep them consistant through the summer....variable temps from 60-90....
60 days passed....70 days passed....I e-mailed a breeder(not of corn snakes however)....I was told 75 days was WAY too long, and to not expect much from my clutch. Day 88...first egg split..my grandson was THRILLED(it was his birthday)...day99...last baby emerged. All but the last one(has not shed yet)have eaten..some are on their second feed. I find it so terribly sad when I read about maybe 1 baby surviving.....SHAME on you for not doing the research to hatch the babes, and SHAME on those of you on this site for not educating those folks....instead you just offer your sympathy.......
SO Folks.....all it takes is a read in a book, or a conversation with a sought out person....if you are REALLY interested or care about the eggs. I have 16 beautiful babies.......and I was told I would probably have none....GO FIGURE......I am having the time of my life....it is SO cool to feed them, and watch them.
I cannot keep 20 snakes, however, so the next challenge is finding homes. Take care, and I hope this site works better or others than it did for me.

GL.

You are correct, information on this forum should not be taken as Gospel truth. The information is based on personal experience and IMO is simply advice based on what has or has not worked for them in the past, what they do today, etc. I also agree, read/study on your own. Do not rely on these forums for every husbandry issue or question you may have and expect the detail you can find in a good reference book. Your incubation duration you experienced is a perfect example. Even books can only give you generalities regarding incubation lengths. However, some books will say there are exceptions to the rule that may be based on incubation temps and other variables.

You state you communally house your snakes. I also assume you know the mother of your hatchlings (obvious as she laid the eggs), but do you know which one is the father? If anyone interested in your babies wants to know the lineage, can you give them accurate information? Were your 17 eggs produced from multiple females using a communal nesting site to make genetic ID of the hatchlings even more complicated? If it doesnt matter to you, then all is good. When dealing with morphs and genetics, this information is very important for the breeder to know and accurately represent their stock.

>>I have been reading the posts here for months now. I am amazed. I cannot believe folks actually take what is presented here as gospel truth. I have 4 corn snakes residing together in a large tank. It has been this way for about 10 years. This year, my White snake blessed us with a clutch of 17 eggs. I very carefully moved them into a perlite/moist "nursery", and tried to keep them consistant through the summer....variable temps from 60-90....
>>60 days passed....70 days passed....I e-mailed a breeder(not of corn snakes however)....I was told 75 days was WAY too long, and to not expect much from my clutch. Day 88...first egg split..my grandson was THRILLED(it was his birthday)...day99...last baby emerged. All but the last one(has not shed yet)have eaten..some are on their second feed. I find it so terribly sad when I read about maybe 1 baby surviving.....SHAME on you for not doing the research to hatch the babes, and SHAME on those of you on this site for not educating those folks....instead you just offer your sympathy.......
>>SO Folks.....all it takes is a read in a book, or a conversation with a sought out person....if you are REALLY interested or care about the eggs. I have 16 beautiful babies.......and I was told I would probably have none....GO FIGURE......I am having the time of my life....it is SO cool to feed them, and watch them.
>>I cannot keep 20 snakes, however, so the next challenge is finding homes. Take care, and I hope this site works better or others than it did for me.
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>>GL.
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Draybars Snakes

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Having to lay eggs in a tank with 3 other snakes, and probably not with a proper a nesting box, would have been stressful on your female. What a SHAME. I think the advise offered on this site is excellent and don't understand why you are putting us all down just because you did everything against the books and some how ended up with babies? You could have come on and posted your interesting experience without the negativity towards the people on this forum.

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>>I have been reading the posts here for months now. I am amazed. I cannot believe folks actually take what is presented here as gospel truth. I have 4 corn snakes residing together in a large tank. It has been this way for about 10 years. This year, my White snake blessed us with a clutch of 17 eggs. I very carefully moved them into a perlite/moist "nursery", and tried to keep them consistant through the summer....variable temps from 60-90....
>>60 days passed....70 days passed....I e-mailed a breeder(not of corn snakes however)....I was told 75 days was WAY too long, and to not expect much from my clutch. Day 88...first egg split..my grandson was THRILLED(it was his birthday)...day99...last baby emerged. All but the last one(has not shed yet)have eaten..some are on their second feed. I find it so terribly sad when I read about maybe 1 baby surviving.....SHAME on you for not doing the research to hatch the babes, and SHAME on those of you on this site for not educating those folks....instead you just offer your sympathy.......
>>SO Folks.....all it takes is a read in a book, or a conversation with a sought out person....if you are REALLY interested or care about the eggs. I have 16 beautiful babies.......and I was told I would probably have none....GO FIGURE......I am having the time of my life....it is SO cool to feed them, and watch them.
>>I cannot keep 20 snakes, however, so the next challenge is finding homes. Take care, and I hope this site works better or others than it did for me.
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>>GL.

so, who said the information given here is gospel?
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish by coming on here bashing us when as far as we know you've never participated in a conversation here. Or asked questions about hatch times.
If you had you probably would have seen several mentions that cooler incubation temperatures can mean longer incubation...I'm pretty sure I even read a post earlier this summer where someone mentioned a clutch that took almost 90 days to hatch.
But... in most instances if they haven't hatched by the mid to late 70's (days)they won't. There has never been an exact number of days listed as gospel. Every clutch is different, different snakes, different conditions different temps...You were told they PROBABLY wouldn't make it and you were told right. Normaly they wouldn't....you beat the odds. wondeful. but in YOUR OWN WORDS they said probably. You weren't told definitely or without a doubt, you were told probably. Experiences would indicate the chances of them surviving and hatching after 80 or more days is slim.
SHAME ON US for not educating someone???? Since when did it become our job to educate anyone? We try to help when people ask but it's definitely not our job to contact every person that posts here and teach them everything we know about raising corn snakes..we offer our views, opinions and experiences..it is up to each keeper to take what they read, hear and experience and adapt this information to what works best for them and their animals.
As far as your four snakes living together for 10 years that is good. but there are definite problems that can occur with co-habitation and it can only help to inform new keepers of these potential problems and let them make their own choices. One of those problems or draw-backs is unwanted babies. Yes it's fun to incubate the eggs and hatch the babies but with this fun comes the responsibility to care for the hatchlings and find homes for them. Things like this can be a lot easier if planned for instead of happening out of ignorance.
offered sympathy? lost me on that one...the only sympathy I could think of being offered would be for the snakes of people unwilling to do the research needed to care for them properly.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
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I am waiting for the "what morph is my white snake by my pink snake called" post LOL!!

>>I am waiting for the "what morph is my white snake by my pink snake called" post LOL!!

I thought about mentioning that but I figuered I would just say what I did an leave it at that
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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No one takes what's said here as "gospel." Heck, no one takes what's said in the Gospel as "gospel" anymore. The hobby of breeding snakes can loosely be considered a science and anyone with a scientific background knows that knowledge and understanding is ever-changing - it's not a static piece of information.

The advice you got from a non-breeder of corn snakes did not come from this forum - blame whoever gave you the bad advice - not this forum.

I, as well as several others who post here regularly, often suggest that people get Kathy Love's or Don Soderberg's book on Corn Snakes. If people took the time to read a book written by an expert they'd be much better informed than believing whatever is said by a pet chain store employee, internet, etc.

SHAME on you for keeping four snakes in one enclosure and causing them unnecessary stress. And shame on you for reproducing snakes without any sort of plan to keep or sell them. That a great example of irresponsibility and bad pet ownership if you ask me. How's that for "gospel?"

Tim

I could not agree more with all the above replies regarding this. It is very silly and irresponsible to produce animals whithout any idea of what you are doing BEFORE you do it. Then to have the forethought about what to do with any offspring BEFORE would also fall into the category of responsible good common sense as well.

Blaming any forum for an individual's total lack of research doesn't seem too warranted here to me either.

To produce live animals just as a willy-nilly whim because it seems "fun" to do, and other's are doing it isn't a valid reason either. Because after the "fun" of them hatching out of the egg, the REAL "fun" starts regarding the housing, cleaning, getting to feed, proper temps, etc...

Some simple books to read and refer to just as you mentioned is all that is needed, and can be referred to forever as needed.

Too many people today want to take the lazy route and just ask questions one by one as they happen to come up, which is not the correct way to go about it at all.

If I were to explode a tire on my car from filling it up too much with air, would I be justified in blaming someone else?, of course not, it is right there on the tire for anyone to read, just as ALL aspects of snake husbandry are.

And what the hell is with the temps trying to be being stablized all summer at around 60 to 90???..HAHAHAA!!. My LORD!!!!, those embryos inside must have been wondering if they were going to die of hypothermia or het stroke all at the same time,...no wonder the things took forever, it is a freakin miracle they could survive at all in my opinion. If the OP would have known to simply keep them at the typically used normal incubating temps of say the very high 70's to low 80's, they would have hatched out at a MUCH more normal 60 to 70 days......geeez!

Anyway, the bashing of the forum as a whole is ridiculous, and the only bashing should be on the person not knowing any of this for his/her self before setting out to produce hatchlings.

To the original poster, all I can say is....No!.........

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a replie to any of ours, I would suggest not holding your breath waiting LOL!! I have never seen this poster on this forum before, cannot for the love of me understand why they would make such a post on this forum considering the gregarious nature and excellent informtion that is provided on this forum, and honestly feel this was some type of troll post. I am not even sure if the OP is referring to corn snakes. "White snake" could be reference to their old 80s heavy metal hair band record collection for all I know LOL!!! Long live Coverdale!!! Any one else remember "In the thrill of night"???? LOL.

I reckon "troll" idea has some merit. If 4 snakes have been living together for 10 years, why would they wait until now to produce a clutch of eggs?

Tim

>>I reckon "troll" idea has some merit. If 4 snakes have been living together for 10 years, why would they wait until now to produce a clutch of eggs?
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>>Tim

conditions probably suck and it just so happened that pair finally just fell to the sexual urge even though conditions were far from optimum. As we all know it doesn't take much to get corns to breed...IF CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT,,,so if they are telling the truth and had four together for 10 years without breeding until now you can bet conditions are far from optimum.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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