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A guy is selling a few snakes on Craigslist.

I wrote to ask him what species he had.

He has balls, a snow corn, and what he claims are a gray-banded king and a scarlet king.

I asked him what the scarlet king was eating, and how well it ate.

He claims he feeds it 1 to 2 ADULT RATS EVERY WEEK.

Uhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Needless to say, I"ve asked for photos....
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Here's a pic of the NON-scarlet king. It's a lousy pic, but what is your best guess? Sinaloan? Pueblan? Something else?

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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

No question, it's a bloody whopping scarlet king!
I'm thinking stuarti.
-Jeff
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Let there be triangulum and lo, the milkhead was born.

Thanks for the input! It certainly does look like the pics I looked up on the web after seeing your post, but I definitely do NOT know how to differentiate all these guys...
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

It looks to be a normal tri-colored Hondo.

Are you saying that this person used THAT crappy-ass photo for advertising it???..HAHAA!!

Holy CRAP!,...and I do mean CRAP! too. I guess they wanted the pic so darn blurry nobody would be able to see all the poop in the cage and several sheds. No wonder this person is selling it, they are neglecting the hell out of it!

I am glad to know that hopefully it will be getting a new(and hopefully better)home.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hondo is the first thing that came to my mind when he said it eats like a hog....but would most hondos have white rings that narrow? You would certainly know better than me!

I probably won't buy it. In fact, I probably won't hear from him again. He says he'll send me better pics tomorrow, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Stay Tuned!
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Most middle rings on Hondurans are usually a tad wider, but they can vary tremendously, even within the same clutch. I just produced one that looks virtually identical to that one in the pic.

Now it could easily have some stuarti influence, as TONS of hobby Hondurans can have varying degrees of influence from stuarti, polyzona, abnorma, or even any combination of the three, AND almost anything else these days to be quite honest. Most people for countless years have always basically thought that any snake from central America with triad rings and a snout band is a "Honduran" anyway..LOL!. Very few know the difference either of the Latin American complex. I even address all this on my website's home page in detail.

It could even be a pure stuarti as Jeff just mentioned too, but the pic is WAAAY too poor to see any real details to know either way. Tighter rings are a more common trait of stuarti, but hobby Hondurans can have very tight ring counts too, or very wide ones, it just all depends on too many factors now. We can't see the snout either, so who the heck knows. All we can go by is a blurry pic that we can barely make out it is a milksnake..LOL!

I have to figure if the dude doesn't know a Scarlet king from a Burmese python, how would he get a true stuarti anyway unless it was by total accident from somewhere bought as a Honduran, or GIGANTIC Scarlet.LOL! He wouldn't know the difference if it clubbed him upside his head I am quite certain.

All in all, it looks like a decent typical hobby "Hondo" for all practical purposes.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Oh, I forgot to mention --

He specifically states in his ad that he only wants to sell his snakes to somebody who knows about snakes. I wanted to tell him that anyone who knows about snakes will realize that it ain't no scarlet!
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

" I wanted to tell him that anyone who knows about snakes will realize that it ain't no scarlet!"

HAHAHAA!!, Yes, he is quite the "expert" isn't he?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Ha!

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very funny...

Looks to me that the snake in the background is his gray band.
theOLDherper
Pete

All I see there is a dirty blue/grey water bowl with old wood chips in it..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Probably no way to positively id it for anything other than a pet, so best to "leaverright" where it is LOL!!!

>>Probably no way to positively id it for anything other than a pet, so best to "leaverright" where it is LOL!!!

LOL!
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Looks like a stuarti to me.
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www.hognosefarm.com

Here is a nice leucistic (piebald) Scarlet kingsnake from that same guy's bloodline.

HAHAA!!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Now THERE is a mystery snake for ya...
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Yeah, it is definitely one unique looking "Scarlet king"!..HAHAA!!

I would hate to see the lizards that thing had to be started on........Iguana's and small Komodo Dragons I guess!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Well, he IS selling both an iguana and a uromastyx....maybe the scarlet king rejected those...
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1.2 Peruvian rainbow boas (Amaru, Asiru, Kulipsa)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
1.3.1 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Chakar, Hari, Saksak)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (Mora)
2.4.4 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Awesome piebald scarlet king! It was a pain getting it to eat mouse tails at first, but then it took off as you can see.
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Mark

HAHAHAA!!.....yeah, it took off REAL, REAL well for sure!..LMAO!

I don't think it was one of the "problem feeders" of the clutch

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com