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ok as people who know me I am a stickler for patterns and color but here is the problem at hand everyone knows when you breed some of the more extreme pattern morphs like motley and jungle. The hypo gene has a bad habit of reducing the patterns or distorting to the point of destruction. I got into motley and jungle morphs for the pattern but I dont like how the hypo gene destroys the motley type in most breeding's granted the snakes are beautiful but the patterns are lost. So here is my question there are so many different hypo lines out there are there any lines that would less likely rob the pattern off the motley. Now I have been paying attention to the marron lines but if you notice the marron lines to me look like my kirby line motley. Ive had quite a few people look at her and swear she was pastel but there isnt much to emphasize this. So here is my problem I am trying to get the color into my motley project without sacrificing pattern , type ,and by description of motley lovers the overall. I mean look at it this way we all love the colors that can be produced in the boa morph world but alot of times the patterns are lost. I am researching lines that wouldnt rob the motleys pattern and type (prime examples of extreme motleys : paradigm ,t-pos , ghost , pink panther , and last but not least some of the more recent albino working genes) All of these noted do not rob anything from the gene but make it more explosive in my eyes but when you throw some hypo in the mix everything just blows up. here is a pic of my motley girl aint she pretty ( notice the bias opinion lol)

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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino f awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and i owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol

i believe that it's hit or miss with the hypo gene! Yes we all have come to conclusion that a hypo trait can and will most likely distort that pattern mutation with most pattern morphs like look at most ARAB hypo's out there right? But we have seen some nice ARAB hypo's. Same thing with motleys and jungles. Well as jungles not so bad scratch that but it does mess some up to a extant but not all the time. Sorry I tend to babble along but good post. I truly feel it luck of the draw some times.

but see this is where the question lies are there any hypo lines that are less likely to distort
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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery m
2 t-pos hypo het bloods m f
1 t-pos het blood f
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and I owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol

Are you looking for a dominant mutant, or would a recessive mutant be acceptable?

I'd advise against the orangetail hypo and salmon lines. And paradigms do not breed true.

Have you considered either caramel albino or boawoman hypo (= Sharon Moore caramel)? Boawoman hypo contributes to the paradigm but does breed true. Both mutants are recessive to their respective normal genes, which may be an inconvenience. I don't know much about the various T-positive albinos, but one of those might be acceptable, too.

Good luck.

no what im looking for is some form of hypo (red) that dosnt distort the motley gene
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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery m
2 t-pos hypo het bloods m f
1 t-pos het blood f
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and I owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol

Remember, the marron has a super form, and a super marron motley should have insane color. This is also the very early stages of marron. Selective line breeding should produce more impressive animals over time.

I have been fallowing the marron development very closely and I am impressed with some of the results. I am going to wait for the super marron motley to see if this is the color I want to incorporate in my motley project. I am being very selective on this since she is my pride and joy. I have a deep found love for the pattern and type so I am going to stick to my guns and hold off I want to see how far and how deep the colors are going to be before I jump on the band wagon. I have been toiling with VPI pink panther line for my motley project but I know Im not the only one lol so time will tell I still have a year or two to make up my mind. Until then Ill just sit and watch learn what people are doing and wait for my choice to come until then I am just going to enjoy my beloved pet

Ray
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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery m
2 t-pos hypo het bloods m f
1 t-pos het blood f
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and I owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol

My opinion for trying to get Hypo Motleys, or Hypo Arabs to hold their pattern is to use a Hypo that has thick and blocky saddles such as this one --

Hypos tend to have thinner saddles than normal Boas, and I think that this contributes to breaking up the patterns in pattern morphs. It's just an opinion though, for now.
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Snake room janitor

hey you never know your insight might be the truth of the matter see most motley hypo's the pattern is either broken or destroyed and this is why I'm looking for the perfect hypo gene so to speak
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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery m
2 t-pos hypo het bloods m f
1 t-pos het blood f
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and I owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol

Hey nice post I think you might be dead on it! Killer hypo btw

good lord what do you feed her she is huge lol
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2 triple het sharps m/f who are the ones who started this mess with me(joking)
1 motley with attitude awesome girl
1 sharp anery albino awesome girl
1 ghost f
1 awesome jungle het anery m
2 t-pos hypo het bloods m f
1 t-pos het blood f
hmmmmmm wonder what im up to lmao and I owe it all to my friends thanks to Reptile Shop Jeff Ronne and Albert
1 fridge with beer in it who's coming over lol