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I currently have a female albino ball python. Im looking to breed her when she is of mature breeding weight. I want to breed her with a pied male. For me to have an outcome of pied albinos do i need to have a Homozygous pied male? Or can i get away with just any pied male? Thanks in advanced for your help.

If you breed a visual Pied male, to a visual albino female, you'll get all 100% double hets...that you would then have to grow up and breed (if you wanted to go that route) If just breeding a pied to an albino got you Albino Pieds...there'd be quite a few more, and they definitely wouldn't cost what they do currently.

So then would i breed the offspring that i produced from the two adults to my albino female to try and get what i want. I know its not exspected to get it first try but is that the route i take? Or do i need to go generation to generation offspring with my same female? I appreciate your help.

You would need to breed the siblings to one another, since they will all be carrying both genes. Breeding the offspring back to either of the parent snakes won`t get you the mutation you are looking for, as the parents are homozygous for only one trait.

So babies to babies I got it. Thank u very much. Another question, can one male breed with multiple females in a single breeding season or is that too exhausting. I've heard of males dying from over breeding.

pied to albino
100% hets
keep the best male baby and all the females you want to
grow them for a couple years ,then breed the male double het to all 4 female double hets....like a different female every other day...and FEED them all while doing this...

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Pieds and Albinos are recessive. All visual Pieds are Homozygous for the pied gene. All visual Albinos are Homozygous for the albino gene. When you breed a pied to an albino you get all babies Heterozygous for both the albino and the pied genes (normals double het pied and albino). If you breed the siblings to each other, you get 16 possible combinations. Of these (of course, this is only probabilities), you could get:

One normal,
Two normals het for pied,
Two normals het for albino,
Four normals double het pied and albino,
One pied,
Two pieds het for albino,
One albino,
Two albinos het for pied and,
One pied albino.

Hope this help
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My suggestion would be to keep at least 2 males and all of the females from the clutch. If by chance you loose one of the male double hets before the ladies reach maturity, at least you that that second male as a back up.

Good luck

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Brian Gundy

www.for-goodness-snakes.com

Piebald and albino traits are both recessive traits...you won't be getting any pied albinos in a breeding between a pied male and an albino female in the first generation of babies.

It takes a fair bit of time and inbreeding to produce a double recessive morph (ie albino pied). First, as already stated, you would need to breed the pied male to your albino female...which produces a clutch containing all normal looking babies. Each of these babies will carry the albino and pied recessive trait (each location in the snake's chromosomes has two 'alleles'. For recessive traits to appear visually, both of these alleles need to be that recessive trait...otherwise the more dominate 'normal' appearance rules out visually (hence carriers of a recessive trait(has one allele that carries the mutation) are called 'hets')

The location along the chromosome which carries the mutation for pied is different than the location for albino...hence you have two separate recessive mutations...and both have to be in a double state to appear visually on an animal.

Back to your breeding hopes:

With double het babies, you can grow them up, (keep all females, and only one male, sell the other males) then breed them together...and this will greatly increase your odds in producing a double visual morph (ie pied albino). Somebody else already posted the likelihood of getting a pied albino (plus all the other combinations).

As it can take many years to produce an albino pied...(5 years at least...maybe 4 if you really power feed..but I don't recommend power feeding, far too stressful in the long run on the snake). It may be better to try and get a male pied het albino...which will increase your odds a little...Of course if you get an albino het pied female instead of your current female, you are increasing your odds greatly to getting what you hope in the first generation.
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PHLdyPayne

Forum Princess

Sweet thanks everyone for the help, this response helped me out alot.