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my first snake

t8raff Oct 10, 2010 03:53 PM

hey everyone my name is travis. this was my friends snake but because of his work and school hours he didnt have the time to take care of it so he gave it to me. he said that it is eating pinkies good. he told me that it is a milk snake. i did some looking around online and from what i can tell its an eastern milk. am i correct? he didnt know how old it is. its around 2ft long and a little bit bigger than a dime around. can anyone tell me approximately the age of this snake. also he was feeding it 1-2 pinkies a week. is this okay or should i feed it more often? as i said before this is my first snake so ill probably have alot more questions.

here are the pics of the little guy


Replies (12)

DMong Oct 10, 2010 06:28 PM

Your friend certainly didn't know much about what kind of snake he/she had. That is MOST DEFINITELY a very typical looking cornsnake!

And yes, it is certainly on the thin side too. It is sort of dificult to say exactly how old it is, because he didn't feed it very much or often, but it is very likely two or three years old.

You should get yourself a good inexpensive book on cornsnakes, and there are several good authors of these that I know personally. One being Don Soderberg's excellent book "Cornsnakes in Captivity", and Kathy Love's "Cornsnake Manual". These can be found at many pet stores, online, and most any reptile show. You really do need to understand their very basic care. Once you do, you won't have to ask questions one at a time on the forums like so many do when problems occur. The most important thing to remember is to PREVENT them from happening in the first place. These books by these two very experienced authors will make sure this happens if you read it. They are only a few bucks too, so there is no excuse whatsoever to not get one.

The snake should be fed a rodent that is big enough to make a pretty noticable lump in it's mid-section of the snake, so feed it a young hopper mouse that is "slightly" bigger than the snake is at mid-body. Keep in mind, the snake can eat a meal far larger than it's head because their upper and lower jaw un-hinge by way of elastic-like ligaments, and the lower jaw even separates sideways as well, so do not be fooled by this, just feed it a meal
as I mentioned that is slightly larger than it is at mid-body, and this will be fine. You should do this about every 5-6 days.

Anyway, tell your friend he/she totally SUCKS at snake identification..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

t8raff Oct 10, 2010 07:18 PM

oh its a corn snake. okay. the person he got it from told him it was a milk snake so thats what i was going off of. when i go to the pet store to pick up some pinkies/hoppers i will defiantly look into the books. thanks for the info and i will certainly tell my friend that its a corn lol.

DMong Oct 10, 2010 08:15 PM

You're welcome!......

Don't forget to feed it a big enough meal so you can see a bulge in the snake after eating it. Otherwise, it isn't big enough.

The snake has to have approximately 1/3rd of it's enclosure at the floor surface in the mid 80's so it can go back and forth to be warmer for digesting meals(thermoregulate), and cooler so it can conserve energy at will, this is ectremely important, and the books I mentioned will definitely cover this for you as well. It also has to have a couple very low, tight places to hide in too. This is ALSO very important. Please read those books well and get a good understanding of how these snakes "operate", and you will have a good healthy snake to enjoy for many countless years. But if some of these basic needs are not met, there could be big problems for the snake.

Good luck with it man!

regards, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Joe_M Oct 10, 2010 07:38 PM

Now Doug, you're certainly going out on a limb here without a meristic study and taking a good look at the anal plate.

Just kidding of course, you don't have to be a doctor to get this identification correct as a corn.

Here's an eastern flipped today...

It appears to be one that I saw last month as well.

and a bad cell phone photograph from today of an eastern that you don't see everyday...

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Joe

DMong Oct 10, 2010 08:00 PM

"Now Doug, you're certainly going out on a limb here without a meristic study and taking a good look at the anal plate"

LOL!, yeah man, I will never forget THAT fiasco with the W/C amel Eastern!..HAHAA!..too funny!

Wow!, killer "in-sutu" photo of the triangulum there with the garter!..very nice indeed!

And GEEZ!, what's with the awesome bi-cephalic Eastern? Did you capture that one??.....wow!. Almost looks like someone is holding one on top of the other..LOL!

cool pics Joe!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Adam_S Oct 10, 2010 08:07 PM

Nice finds Joe. But what's the story on that two-headed Milk? Wow!
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Adam Schroeder

amazondoc Oct 10, 2010 10:40 PM

:-P !

On this one, though, the keeled scales are very obvious. I was gonna count the supralabial scales just on general principles, but I decided the picture was too fuzzy.....
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2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
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gerryg Oct 11, 2010 02:53 AM

went to the Massachusetts Reptile Expo and photographed one of the very few things of interest there. Lots and lots of Balls and Geckos. Saw a few people there I was familiar with, they were offering other things but not doing well in sales. Seems to be the trend based on other reports of expos I've read in here.

The 2 headed eastern is owned by a Harvard Curatorial Assistant named Van Wallach, he's named it Brady and Belichick. It was found outside of Augusta, Maine and given to him I believe. Very cool snake. He also had a number of other "pickled" 2 headed snakes on display.

Gerry

Adam_S Oct 11, 2010 07:19 AM

Brady and Belichick LOL ...

I wonder how mature it was when it was found. Hard to believe it would last long in the wild and I'd think it would be a pretty challenging captive. Very impressive.
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Adam Schroeder

Joe_M Oct 11, 2010 06:45 PM

is correct.

I had a great time at the expo, but I went there specifically to see that eastern. I also had some great conversation with Van about two of my favorite hobbys: snakes, and the Patriots (as you may have guessed by the name the bi-cephalic snake was given by Van). Van told me that the snake was about 6" when found, so he has basically had it since it was hatched I'm guessing. He has done a great job with it! It's very strange to see that snake crawling around with two tongues flickering?!?! I wish everyone could have seen the look on my six year old daughter's face when Van asked her if she would like to hold Brady and Belichick. She looked at him, then the snake again, and then looked over at me like I was the one with two heads, lol. Wanted nothing to do with the mutant, and she usually jumps in front of me to pick up snakes or salamanders when we flip something in the field.

Although I wasn't there to buy anything, I was surprised to see a lot of people walking around with some newly purchased snakes.
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Joe

gerryg Oct 12, 2010 04:17 AM

have loved to see the look on her face. When my son has Black Milks available we attend the Manchester New Hampshire Expo. He always brings one of the adult breeders (usually Sonny) with him and I spend the day as his assistant offering kids the opportunity to handle him. The looks on many of the kids faces is priceless, especially those that you just know are saying to themselves "you expect me to touch that... I don't think so"

Gerry

DMong Oct 12, 2010 11:50 AM

Yeah, I think it is a fabulous idea to get kids used to interacting with easy-going harmless snakes. As we all certainly know, there are WAAAAAY too many in the general public that know nothing at all about snakes.

The fact that so many people are so deathly afraid of every single kind of snake is just plain ridiculous to me. And the "not knowing" anything about them is the sole reason it is perpetuated in the first place.

After all, the kids are the hobby's future!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

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