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Will a tub measuring 28 1/2 x 18 x 6 be big enough to house adult ball pythons? THe tubs are gong into a rack. These are the only size Iris tubs that I can actually get locally in my town. I can not afford to pay $20.00 shipping on top of the price of tubs for the CB70 or should I go with the Sterilite 1860 which measures 34 3/4 x 16 1/2 x 6 ? I do like the iris better if it would be big enough.

Ive seen it done, especially for males. Not saying that the small size is a good thing necessarily.

BPs are equatorial, and as such do not need a varied temperature, at least not much of one. And as you know they are not an energetic species. So, a small cage with a very narrow gradient is not as bad for BPs as it might be for other species.

But still, I would really question your logic. If you can't spend 20 bucks in shipping for larger tubs, do you really need to be keeping snakes that may require larger tubs, especially the females. Instead of trying to stuff them into smaller boxes.
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Mark

Actualy if you add it up it would be $20.00 per tub. So that adds up alot. I ended up buying and using the cb110 I found at bed bath and beyond $17.00 each no shipping. So it's nice that you might have a plenty of money sitting around, but please don't put people down who are just starting out and on a budget. Gotta start small and work my way up. Do appreciate your response though.

>>Actualy if you add it up it would be $20.00 per tub. So that adds up alot. I ended up buying and using the cb110 I found at bed bath and beyond $17.00 each no shipping. So it's nice that you might have a plenty of money sitting around, but please don't put people down who are just starting out and on a budget. Gotta start small and work my way up. Do appreciate your response though.

You need to broaden your prospective buying area, or inquire to local dealers.

For example ARS caging makes a far superior tub that is identical to the CB-70 which only costs $17. If you go without the cup holder they nest and can ship Fedex ground for less than a few dollars a tub.

Your other option is to inquire to Bed bath and beyond of getting the CB-70. They are a distributor which means just because your store doesn't have doesn't mean they can't get it. Talk to a manager if a salesperson is nor eager to help.

Lastly Mark like many of us see it more times than not someone spending $1000's on a collection of snakes but refuse to spend an equal amount on caging.

Inevitably people loose collections, in adequate caging increases husbandry time and cost, which in our ever busy lifestyle we tend to not have time for. The end result is the animals suffer and die or you suffer the financial burden of vet bills that could have been spent on adequate caging that would prevent potential husbandry issues.

My collection original purchase price is somewhere near 15K, my caging around 5K. I've made mistakes and lost animals no longer listed below and some where a result of caging I thought was sufficient.

When I build my next rack I'm using Cambro's they cost 4 times as much but are perfectly clear so I can view and identify issues without ever opening tubs, saving time that I don't seam to have. They also allow the enjoyment of the collection as I can see them clearly rather than a rack or semi clear plastic tubs.

Learn from our mutual experience and don't skimp on caging.

Find caging and tubs based on the animals needs then find the cheapest source, rather than finding the cheapest source and buying a substitute.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

0.0.2 Morelia Viridis
1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

That sounds even better. I apologize if my answer cam eout wrong. I realy did appreciate the advice Mark gave. I did inquire about teh CB-70 with bb&b but they told me they can only get what they alreay have on the shelf. The lady at customer service didn't even look. She wasn't very helpful, but thats a whole other story. I plan on buying and doing this right. I just got ti start out small with mabey 3-5 snakes and work my way up. I would in no way buy a bunch of snakes and cram them into small cages. You gave me some great advice and I sure will follow it. Thanks for being so helpful.
I did buy the Helix Db1000 thermostat as I read it was the best one to have.

>>You need to broaden your prospective buying area, or inquire to local dealers.
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>>For example ARS caging makes a far superior tub that is identical to the CB-70 which only costs $17. If you go without the cup holder they nest and can ship Fedex ground for less than a few dollars a tub.
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>>Your other option is to inquire to Bed bath and beyond of getting the CB-70. They are a distributor which means just because your store doesn't have doesn't mean they can't get it. Talk to a manager if a salesperson is nor eager to help.
>>
>>Lastly Mark like many of us see it more times than not someone spending $1000's on a collection of snakes but refuse to spend an equal amount on caging.
>>
>>Inevitably people loose collections, in adequate caging increases husbandry time and cost, which in our ever busy lifestyle we tend to not have time for. The end result is the animals suffer and die or you suffer the financial burden of vet bills that could have been spent on adequate caging that would prevent potential husbandry issues.
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>>My collection original purchase price is somewhere near 15K, my caging around 5K. I've made mistakes and lost animals no longer listed below and some where a result of caging I thought was sufficient.
>>
>>When I build my next rack I'm using Cambro's they cost 4 times as much but are perfectly clear so I can view and identify issues without ever opening tubs, saving time that I don't seam to have. They also allow the enjoyment of the collection as I can see them clearly rather than a rack or semi clear plastic tubs.
>>
>>Learn from our mutual experience and don't skimp on caging.
>>
>>Find caging and tubs based on the animals needs then find the cheapest source, rather than finding the cheapest source and buying a substitute.
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>>Jeremy Payne
>>JB Reptile
>>
>>1.0 Snow "Kahl"
>>0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
>>0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
>>1.0 Ghost
>>0.1 DH Ghost
>>1.1 "Kahl" Albino
>>1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
>>1.3 Pastel Hypo
>>0.1 Anerthrystic
>>0.0.2 Normal
>>
>>0.0.2 Morelia Viridis
>>1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

>>That sounds even better. I apologize if my answer cam eout wrong. I realy did appreciate the advice Mark gave. I did inquire about teh CB-70 with bb&b but they told me they can only get what they alreay have on the shelf. The lady at customer service didn't even look. She wasn't very helpful, but thats a whole other story. I plan on buying and doing this right. I just got ti start out small with mabey 3-5 snakes and work my way up. I would in no way buy a bunch of snakes and cram them into small cages. You gave me some great advice and I sure will follow it. Thanks for being so helpful.
>> I did buy the Helix Db1000 thermostat as I read it was the best one to have.

I'd find a manager and complain, or if that's useless contact corporate. If there is one thing I can't stand is stupidity and ignorance to the customers needs. I've worked retail based on similar logistics as BB&B would use, and they can get what you want it's just to much work so they tell you "they can't" vs saying "I'm to lazy" which could receive a complaint.

I've spent hours trying to find a $5 part for a customer, I made $9 an hr the company didn't even break even, but that customer became a regular. In the long run it all worked itself out.

Helix is good, I'm a Herpstat guy, but proportional is they way to go either way you made a good choice.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

0.0.2 Morelia Viridis
1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

Idid find the CB-70 online for $23.00 shipped so I am going to go order them and return the CB-110's. I do know what you mean though, my boss would have fired me if I didn't take the time to find out an answer for one of our customers. Thanks agin for your time, advice and patience.

>>>>That sounds even better. I apologize if my answer cam eout wrong. I realy did appreciate the advice Mark gave. I did inquire about teh CB-70 with bb&b but they told me they can only get what they alreay have on the shelf. The lady at customer service didn't even look. She wasn't very helpful, but thats a whole other story. I plan on buying and doing this right. I just got ti start out small with mabey 3-5 snakes and work my way up. I would in no way buy a bunch of snakes and cram them into small cages. You gave me some great advice and I sure will follow it. Thanks for being so helpful.
>>>> I did buy the Helix Db1000 thermostat as I read it was the best one to have.
>>
>>I'd find a manager and complain, or if that's useless contact corporate. If there is one thing I can't stand is stupidity and ignorance to the customers needs. I've worked retail based on similar logistics as BB&B would use, and they can get what you want it's just to much work so they tell you "they can't" vs saying "I'm to lazy" which could receive a complaint.
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>>I've spent hours trying to find a $5 part for a customer, I made $9 an hr the company didn't even break even, but that customer became a regular. In the long run it all worked itself out.
>>
>>Helix is good, I'm a Herpstat guy, but proportional is they way to go either way you made a good choice.
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>>Jeremy Payne
>>JB Reptile
>>
>>1.0 Snow "Kahl"
>>0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
>>0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
>>1.0 Ghost
>>0.1 DH Ghost
>>1.1 "Kahl" Albino
>>1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
>>1.3 Pastel Hypo
>>0.1 Anerthrystic
>>0.0.2 Normal
>>
>>0.0.2 Morelia Viridis
>>1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

Jeremy came to the rescue (thank you Jeremy..)

What I tried to say and should have said is that for the money spent you will have greater success having effective caging and possibly fewer animals than a whole bunch of animals and substandard caging that may not meet their needs.
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Mark

Yeap I sure do agree with you Mark after doing more research. Your advice is greatly appreciated. I just took it the wrong way and I do apologize for it.

>>Jeremy came to the rescue (thank you Jeremy..)
>>
>>What I tried to say and should have said is that for the money spent you will have greater success having effective caging and possibly fewer animals than a whole bunch of animals and substandard caging that may not meet their needs.
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>>Mark