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Why aren't these more popular?
I have always liked them and thought they were very kingsnake-like......

Don Shores used to breed some Longnosed snakes from Arizona, but is anyone else "working" with them?

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John Lassiter
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Very kingsnake like...We found about 5 on an Arizona trip but none as nice as that one. Have never seen longnose at shows either.

>>Very kingsnake like...We found about 5 on an Arizona trip but none as nice as that one. Have never seen longnose at shows either.
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Me neither....
I wonder if it is because they are notorious lizard feeders?

I love those Claris Phase Longnosed snakes from Arizona.....

I have a buddy here in Texas that found a true anery Longnosed snake....it is even lacking the red in its iris......and is not just a faded black and white phase.......
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John Lassiter
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I have kept a couple over the years but never got any to take mice. Even those I acquired as mouse feeders. They also appear to be a bit "stressy" and fragile IMO and not comfortable in general in captivity. However, this is from a VERY limited experience base!!! I agree, they are fairly mild tempered for WC animals, are gorgeous IMO, and a great sized colubrid to work with.

i too am intrigued by these snakes... i have seen one before at a nature center presentation and it was a very nice looking specimen... i wonder if there is information on their husbandry requirements posted anywhere?

>>i too am intrigued by these snakes... i have seen one before at a nature center presentation and it was a very nice looking specimen... i wonder if there is information on their husbandry requirements posted anywhere?

As far as husbandry.....
I keep ALL my colubrids the same.....

But these are notorious lizard feeders......
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John Lassiter
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Years ago, I held a few adults at a show, and was intrigued by them. These adults for sale were avid mouse eaters. Unfortunately, I went to the show with no money to spend, so that ended that..haha!

I do wonder why they are not popular, as I feel that they are as beautiful, if not more, than some morphs out there.

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Genesis 1:1

Hi John

You're right about their beauty and lack of presence in the trade. I think that the lack there of is due to the large belief that these are very difficult to switch or get started on rodents meals since they are mostly lizard feeders. I wonder how "difficult" these are compared to gray-bands though. I've seen some nice clarus phase here in CA but I think the TX Rhinocheilus have the most red on all the ssp. They are definitely beautiful animals.

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LOL! That's what I first thought when I saw this animal.
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Yeah, that is one sweet looking animal man!

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I too am very, very interested in Rhinos! Can't wait until I have time to go herp for one when the seasons change!

I've kept a couple of these over the years. One from Kern Co. one from Riverside Co. Neither would take rodents regularly. The one from Riverside took a live fuzzy once only after eating a sceloporous. Both were extremely dedicated escape artists. I heard the TX ssp take rodents more readily than the CA ssp do.

reako45

I've kept a few over the years, some from west Texas, most from near me and you John. the larger ones usually go for mice big time, but yes, sadly, they are primarily lizard eaters. The larger one I had a few years ago was quite adept at killing mice 2 at a time, using the "tunnel smash", not just pinning the second mouse but putting the smack down on it. I like these too, wonder why they aren't more popular, probably the same reason.

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Todd Hughes

>> some from west Texas,

I was positive we had a black gap alterna....but nooooo

well, we COULD have with a little more effort...wait, lemme look in my driveway....
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Todd Hughes

>>I've kept a few over the years, some from west Texas, most from near me and you John. the larger ones usually go for mice big time, but yes, sadly, they are primarily lizard eaters. The larger one I had a few years ago was quite adept at killing mice 2 at a time, using the "tunnel smash", not just pinning the second mouse but putting the smack down on it. I like these too, wonder why they aren't more popular, probably the same reason.

Todd,
Do you have any Longnoses from Nueces County?
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John Lassiter
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sorry no, Jim Wells yes, Nueces, never found one at home.....wait, lemme check the driveway...Badabump!
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Todd Hughes

Why not more popular?

I think it has to do with the combination of a few things:
1. Although most eat mice w/o issue, they can be challenging depending on age and locality;
2. They are quite secretive;
3. They can musk something fierce.
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Mark

In most cases 50% of the babies will insist on feeding on lizards - and this puts them in the same "limited interest" boat as Grey Bands. Unlike Grey Bands, Longnose are relatively common and easy to find in the wild - which lowers their value.

I dig Longnose, as well as Glossy Snakes - but I don't think either will catch on until some reliable "trick" can be implemented to get the lizard-feeding individuals to eat rodents.

Tim

Vegas-area Longnose I found in June:

Arizona Longnose that I found a couple of days later:

Third Eye

Almost 20 years ago my dad brought me a pair of wild caught rhinos he bought at some rattlesnake roundup in south Texas. Those things ate f/t mice from the first feeding on! If i'd have known that they were such an exception I would have kept them. I always assumed that they didn't catch on because of the bloody musk

>>Almost 20 years ago my dad brought me a pair of wild caught rhinos he bought at some rattlesnake roundup in south Texas. Those things ate f/t mice from the first feeding on! If i'd have known that they were such an exception I would have kept them. I always assumed that they didn't catch on because of the bloody musk

This one here is a wild caught and has never musked me.........but he is wanting lizards and not mice......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

been trying to get a group together...found some males but no females...didn't pull the trigger on the males sorta regret it
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

Also I have pics of many color phases, including real claris.

On a side note, we found a fresh dor albino gophersnake tonight. I will take some pics tomorrow. Sad

>> On a side note, we found a fresh dor albino gophersnake tonight. I will take some pics tomorrow. Sad

Very sad!

Hey Frank, how goes it over there?
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Todd Hughes