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Follow-up to Boaphile's blog post

ALT Oct 14, 2010 12:26 PM

I posted the following comment on Boaphile's blog post about a possibly parthenogenetic boa litter. Parthenogenesis is so cool! Figured it would be worth posting again over here with a diagram for anyone interested.

Three possible ways a female could produce viable offspring without a male in the ZW/ZZ chromosome system:

1. Meiosis occurs normally, haploid gametes undergo terminal fusion resulting in either WW or ZZ (offspring inheriting two copies of 1/2 of the mother's genome). Since WW is non-viable, all offspring will be male and obviously not clones of mom (documented in birds and Varanids).

2. Meiosis occurs normally, haploid gametes undergo central fusion, resulting in ZW. All offspring will therefore be female, and even though they inherit the complete maternal genome, they will not be exact copies of the mother due to "crossing over". Plausible in this case given two phenotypes (ghost and anerythristic) were expressed in the litter.

3. Pre-meiotic chromosomal doubling occurs so that the 4 resulting gametes would be diploid (instead of the usual haploid) and exact copies of the maternal genotype. The fact that the litter contained two phenotypes suggests this is not the case here.

I would be very interested to know what genetic tests are being conducted to investigate this (microsats? DNA-fingerprinting?)and how retained sperm was ruled out.

Replies (12)

kblumenthal Oct 14, 2010 12:32 PM

Mr. Booth has done some work/testing with a couple parthenogenetic litters, and I believe he is in the process of publishing his findings. Hopefully he can shed some light on this subject for you.
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ALT Oct 14, 2010 12:45 PM

I was involved in the genetic work on a case of parthenogenesis in lovebirds (publication in review). Saw the blog post on the ks homepage side bar thing this morning, and was inspired to nerd-up the forums a bit. I think ZW-parthenogenesis is a very interesting system. Looking forward to hearing more about it in the non-avian reptile world!

LarM Oct 14, 2010 02:33 PM

AAHH Ooops I believe you have answered my question I just didn't refresh before
I posted my question about Boaphile blogging.

I was reading some time ago about Meiosis and terminal fusion
and Meiosis central fusion.

It became slightly more complicated then my simple mind could digest all at one time.

This post of yours will no doubt help me comprehend the processes
that can take place creating Parthenogenic offspring.

. . . Lar M
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Warren_Booth Oct 15, 2010 03:39 PM

Hi ALT. I assume your are Amanda Talaba? What is the current status with the Peach faced lovebird paper? Matthew Carling has had it listed as in review since 2009? Where has it been submitted to? You can email me privately with the info if needed.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

LarM Oct 14, 2010 02:23 PM

Nice post , I'm curious though where does the Boaphile Blog at ?

Never seen a blog by the Boaphile, I've seen many thread posts
but I've yet to see a Boaphile Blog.

If I have missed the Boaphile blog please direct me to it !

Thx

. . . Lar M
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PHFaust Oct 14, 2010 10:49 PM

>>Nice post , I'm curious though where does the Boaphile Blog at ?
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>>Never seen a blog by the Boaphile, I've seen many thread posts
>>but I've yet to see a Boaphile Blog.
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>>If I have missed the Boaphile blog please direct me to it !
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Part of kingsnake.com's redesign was a blog platform for ALL of our users! You can create your own blog space here with your own RSS feeds. Basically dont sell stuff, dont curse and everything else is fair game. To access the main blog visit www.kingsnake.com/blog. The link to Jeff's is below
Parthenogenetic Boa Constrictor

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LarM Oct 14, 2010 11:07 PM

Thx Cindy N/P
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creptilia Oct 14, 2010 04:50 PM

So there would still be a mixing of genes (albeit the mothers) by meiotic recombination and cross-over, as the genomic information contained within each gamete are not identical? It is the "Z" and "W" chromosome (and other autosomes) containing gametes that fuse, in which you refer to as central fusion, to form a diploid zygote. Do I have this right? It makes sense--I am just unclear of the mechanism.

This partho paper "in press" needs to be disclosed.

Nerd it up!
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Ron Michelotti

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warren_booth Oct 14, 2010 08:46 PM

Nothing can be disclosed until publication and press release. Sorry. It's journal policy.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

warren_booth Oct 14, 2010 08:43 PM

My paper has been accepted by the journal Biology Letters. I M awaiting page proofs and expect publication within 6 weeks.
I can say nothing more until the paper is published and the press release made.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Warren_Booth Oct 18, 2010 09:22 PM

I received the proofs this morning, corrected and returned them. The proofs have a 2010 date on them, so I am assuming we will see this paper very soon. I'll will keep you all updated as to when it will be published.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

PHFaust Oct 14, 2010 10:45 PM

Ya know girl, you can make your own blog post too!
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