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Does anyone have any information on these? I picked up a pair recently and would like to hear what others have to say about them. Pictures would also be appreciated. Thanks.

>>Does anyone have any information on these? I picked up a pair recently and would like to hear what others have to say about them. Pictures would also be appreciated. Thanks.

I would say that there is NO SUCH THING.....
California kings have no erythrin to be Anerythristic......

Hell...They are already black and white (usually) or brown and yellow......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Unless you are speaking of Anery California Mountain Kings?
Not Getula?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I am talking about Getula. These guys are a pale black with The blackest eyes I have ever seen. They really do look different than any other cal king morph I have seen. I will take some pics later today if I remember. Spoke with 1 breeder who produced them for the first time this year. She said that they popped out of normal to albino breeding if I remember correctly.

It might very well be different, but there is no way they are "anerythristic", that just isn't possible. If a clutch of normally brown/black and YELLOW Cal. kings were produced from ONLY individuals producing black/brown and yellow pigment, and one totally black and "absent-pigmented" individual popped out of the clutch providing there was no other black and WHITE influence from a different morph in it's genetic lineage, then it could possibly be "axanthic"(no yellow), but there is absolutely NO RED PIGMENT(erythrin) in ANY Cal. king morphs whatsoever. Anerythrism in L.g.californiae just cannot happen.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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"These guys are a pale black with The blackest eyes I have ever seen"

In this case it could EASILY be hypomelanism, since that pertains to the dark pigment(melanin),but definitely not anerythrism that involves red pigment.

Thre are definitely known hypomelanistic Cal. kings in the hobby.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Doug,
I understand your point. In all honesty, you and I both know that Anerythristic and Axanthic are unfortunately used interchangeably when they shouldn't be. That said, these are most likely Axanthic in that they are similar to the Axanthic Brooksi. I don't believe they are hypos but I could be wrong. If they are then they are a new form of hypo as they are different than those I am familiar with. I appreciate your input as that is the reason for my post.

Take care,
Jeff Port

they are really cool, there is a post below about them,
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1863606,1863606
,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Tom,
Thanks for bringing that post to my attention. That is definitely what I have. They actually came from Gourmet Rodent too. They were sold to me by someone else though. I asked Lori Barczyk (BHB Enterprises) about them. She said she produced some for the first time this year too. I am looking forward to working with these and plugging them into several other morphs and combos I have to see what the outcomes are. This is a project I am very excited about. Unfortunately for me, I only picked up a pair. I should have grabbed a few more. I have attempted to contact the seller but he hasn't gotten back to me as of yet. Oh well. Thanks again.

Take care,
Jeff

They still cannot be Anery.....Cal kings have no red...ever...lol
Call them what you want....
Maybe Axanthic but it looks like the pigment that is being affected by this mutation is the melanin....and nothing else.....

They look like a type of hypomelanism to me, but they have black eyes........There is so much we don't know about these mutations so we just label them what we want.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Agreed, they can't be anerythristic as cal kings don't have red to begin with. What are they then? At this point we don't know. They way those eyes stand out just really grabs my attention. Regardless of what they are, I LIKE them.

Take care,
Jeff

Mr. Ross could probably help you out here....

All I know is test breeding is in order....
Breed them with known Hypomelanistics, Blue Eyed Blondes and to each other......Then breed their babies to each other.....It may be just a new morph. There are 3 different strains of hypo Pyros......at least that is what everyone calls them...Hypos....lol

I had a strange looking Calking back in the day that looked similar but striped....I never got the chance to breed her to figure out what she was.....

Here's a Blue Eyed Blonde and a normal het albino I once had....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

John,
That is my plan. Hopefully Kerby will chime in with some input as well. Like I said I am trying to pick up some more of these to make the test breedings go quicker. Hopefully I can get at least a few more preferably females. The male I got is a yearling and the female is a well started 2010. I have most of the other morphs out there and several multi morph combos. Thanks.

Take care,
Jeff

You have them? Why don't you post the pics?

I was going to say you probably have some version of hypomelanism, which are usually very cool looking Cal kings. But how would I know what you have? So I just typed this last paragraph for nada.
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Mark

Well, I am at work right now and the snakes are at home. Was just wondering if anyone else had info on them. Tom provided me the info I was looking for with his link to a previous post. I will try to get some pics up this weekend.

Take care,
Jeff

Definitely not anery or axanthic. There are more than just a few hypomelanistic genes out there in cal kings that are not compatiable.

I have had quite a few "hypomelanistic looking" cal kings pop out when producing double hets of numerous combinations. If someone did not know the history, they would appear to be "hypomelanistic" or whatever "label" we chose. Also we need a standard list of difinitions in cal kings that is accepted everywhere, otherwise just look at k-snake classifieds and have a good laugh.

I have also wholesaled out hundreds of various double hets over the years.....so some unusual stuff should be popping up. I'm sure others have as well. Cal kings will eventually get to be like cornsnakes, where there are no longer any "normals" left.

More strange stuff to come, but it is hard to label stuff without a few generations of history.

Kerby...
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Here is a Ghost (Palomar) single recessive gene bred to a Hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) single recessive gene. So I should have hatched out all normals that are double hets.....but...

Kerby...

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But I also produced this in the clutch...it is not a Ghost, not is it a Hypo.

It is definitely a double het just like it's clutch mates...but something is different.

Kerby...

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Hypo/Ghost...showing both....

And since my original female Ghost was also het albino, some of the babies from the ghost x hypo project ended up being triple hets (Ghost, Hypo, Albino) which I proved out in a couple of clutches this year.

Still producing some of those weird striping patterns with that weird purple/fleshy color that aren't hypo or ghost or albino.

I don't have any explanations.

Kerby...

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I remember seeing a picture of an anery cal king back in the early 90s. It was a Lloyd Lemke animal and I think it was in The Vivarium magazine. It looked nothing like what people are calling anery cal kings now. It was however, black and blue like the axanthic brooksi and didn't appear to have any brooksi blood in the mix...an axanthic banana with lots of yellow(blue) and a typical pattern of cal king. It was also pictured next to a normal banana clutchmate.

>>Does anyone have any information on these? I picked up a pair recently and would like to hear what others have to say about them. Pictures would also be appreciated. Thanks.
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