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possible regurgitation

johnthebaptist Oct 19, 2010 11:15 AM

Is it likely that a snake can regurgitate a meal 4 days after eating? I noticed what is either an irregular stool or a possible regurgitation. The snake is a healthy juvi normal corn with a great appetite. She eats appropriately sized fuzzy's. The possible regurgitation looks like a small pinky although only the color of it resembles a pinky. I am almost certain its not poop. I am just suprised that she regurgitated that far into digestion. Temps are good nothing out of the ordinary husbandry wise. She is due for a shed anytime which might be the culprit. Should i wait one week and offer smaller food or two weeks?

Replies (9)

johnthebaptist Oct 19, 2010 11:38 AM

Upon further inspection i see hind legs. it is a regurgitation. It is very much digested. Ive never seen a meal regurgitated so late into digestion. has anyone else?

DMong Oct 19, 2010 01:47 PM

Well, yes, most often they are usually regurgitated within the third day, but it being the fourth is certainly within reason too.

Regardless of the amount of days it took for this to occur, there is definitely a problem of some kind. Either the meal was too big, temps not warm enough, it inadvertently ingested some fecal matter from the substrate or water bowl, or a possible combination of any of those. They can also regurge if handled if they are fairly nervous too, but from what you are saying, I doubt that has ant relevence at all with this particular situation.

As you may already know, the very LAST thing you would want to do is offer the snake another meal anytime soon. The snake needs to replenish it's stomach acids, electrolytes, enzymes and proper gut flora before it can properly digest it's next meal.

Yes, you should most definitely wait a good 7 to ten days before attempting to feed it again, and when you DO, make sure it is a much smaller sized meal to see if this is digested. After a few smaller meals, you could then gradually work up to a more normal-sized meal if all seems okay.

If it regurges the next smaller meal after waiting the 7 to ten days, You should immediately seek a qualified reptile vet that can administer some medication to combat the problem. I have found that when bad gut bacteria is present in their intestinal tract for any number of the above given reasons, a two-dose regimen of "Flagyl"(metronidazole) given at the rate of 50mg/per kg of body weight, and another follow-up dose in 10 or so days after the initial dose works absolute WONDERS if intestinal bacteria is the root cause of the regurgitations, and snake's I have personally dosed in the past never had another regurge issue whatsoever from that day on!!.

It is VERY important however that if this is medication is administered, you do NOT feed the snake at ALL until approx. 7 to 10 days AFTER the last dose was given because this medication also kills the "good" bacteria flora that the snake needs to properly digest it's meals.

Additionally, Flagyl is very reptile friendly, so there is no worry about any negative effects from these doses either. If you cannot seem to find a vet that is well-learned in reptile medicine, I would copy the dose exactly as I mentioned above so they can give it the proper amount of medication, even if they do not know what to give it, or how much.

First though, the snake should definitely have a "fecal floatation" done by the vet BEFORE any course of medication can be taken, so he/she knows exactly what is the cause and then know the best course of action that should be taken.

Anyway, I would look into any of the above husbabdry possibilities first, and then go from there, but I would first give the snake 7 to ten days of no food, then offer the much smaller meal to see how things go with those first. But if the snake has problems after the next few smaller meals after the 7 to 10 days, you should make a bee-line to a qualified vet ASAP!

good luck with it!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

johnthebaptist Oct 19, 2010 02:19 PM

Thanks doug. I have dealt with regurgitation in the past unfortunately and all that advice is spot on. I have never administered flagyl and i am not sure if i could. I do know of a good herp vet who will be my last resort in case of an emergency. All precautions are being taken. My main concern was that i have never seen such a digested meal regurgitated. in the past it has always been slightly digested meals that still resembled the rodent due from one of my mistakes. always glad to learn something new. Temps are very good and have always been, The meal was good size and nothing she hasn't digested with ease before. I am very good about removing feces and i change my water daily and sanitize once a month. ill keep you posted.

draybar Oct 19, 2010 04:24 PM

>>Thanks doug. I have dealt with regurgitation in the past unfortunately and all that advice is spot on. I have never administered flagyl and i am not sure if i could. I do know of a good herp vet who will be my last resort in case of an emergency. All precautions are being taken. My main concern was that i have never seen such a digested meal regurgitated. in the past it has always been slightly digested meals that still resembled the rodent due from one of my mistakes. always glad to learn something new. Temps are very good and have always been, The meal was good size and nothing she hasn't digested with ease before. I am very good about removing feces and i change my water daily and sanitize once a month. ill keep you posted.

Doug is dead on as usual but I would check the temps again just to make sure. It can't hurt and with cooler temps a couple of degree drop could go unnoticed.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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a153fish Oct 19, 2010 04:32 PM

Yeah Jimmy this was my first gut instinct too, since we are entering cooler weather. Night time temps can be considerably colder. Another thing you definately want to keep a close eye for is any mid body swelling, either hard lump, or inflated. Good luck.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
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draybar Oct 19, 2010 05:19 PM

>>Yeah Jimmy this was my first gut instinct too, since we are entering cooler weather. Night time temps can be considerably colder. Another thing you definately want to keep a close eye for is any mid body swelling, either hard lump, or inflated. Good luck.
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

funny you should mention that ....a friend of mine just called beteen these two posts and said he has an adult sunglow that has a mid body lump and was asking me what I thought it might be.
To tell the truth I wasn't sure, my first thought was impaction.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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johnthebaptist Oct 19, 2010 05:19 PM

Im almost positive that temps have nothing to do with it in this case. i check my temps several times a day. Never been an issue with this snake or any of my snakes. i am unsure of the cause we will just have to wait and see.

draybar Oct 19, 2010 05:23 PM

>>Im almost positive that temps have nothing to do with it in this case. i check my temps several times a day. Never been an issue with this snake or any of my snakes. i am unsure of the cause we will just have to wait and see.

follow Doug's advise...definitely sound advise... and good luck
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

_____

johnthebaptist Nov 01, 2010 01:54 PM

Just letting everyone know that she held down her meal and digested fine. I wish i knew better what caused the regurgitation. i am glad it wasnt a bacterial thing though.

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