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I just downloaded a corn morph calculator and it didn't help, so I figured I should ask here.

I have a female miami phase het amel that I'm going to breed to a newly purchased male. the breeder didn't know what to call the male but said he was a result of a pair of siblings that were the result of an amel bloodred X creamsicle.

the male looks like orange/ burnt orange blood red (not amel). no head pattern, solid belly color and the saddles sort of blend with the ground color. he's still young though, so i dont know what the final colors will be.

any idea on what my new male is called and what babies I can expect?

Well this is a very complexe mix. The Creamsicle is actually a cross with Emori and Amel. If the bloodred is in fact amel then that male should be Amel, right? If you mate it with a Miami het for Amel then you will get 50% Amel babies of some kind. What to call them is not clear. The miami look is not a recessive trait so there is no het Miami. Some of the babies would be het for Bloodred but there's no sure way to know which ones?
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J Sierra

Sorry I read it again, and I was wrong. The male is het for bloodred and Amel so you will get 25% amels, half of those will be het for Bloodred pattern(diffused). Plug in the calculator these genetics. Female = het amel, Male = het amel and het bloodred. The Miami is seen as normal and you will also have Emori floating around in there somewhere, lol. Hope that helps? Maybe some one else can explain it better?
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J Sierra

ok, thanks

That's kind of what I was thinking. It seems like there are 10 million types of corns out there so I didn't know if there was a specific name for this combo. Would all the amels be considered creamsicle regardless of patter or color due to there being some emery's rat in there?

Yes, all the amels would be considered creamsicles. The male should be an amelanistic snake, therefore you'd statistically get 50% creamsicles and 50% "rootbeer" (normal-colored corn/Emory's Rat crosses) offspring.

There's no such thing as het for bloodred and if your male is a bloodred/creamsicle cross, the offspring would only be possible hets for diffused-sided.

Tim

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Yeah I was right the first time, lol. But when I read it again, I saw he said it wasn't Amel?
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J Sierra

Yeah, I thought that was kind of odd. There also aren't very many Miamis out there that are het for amel. My guess is that he bought snakes that were mis-represented (who'd ever breed an amel bloodred to a creamsicle?). I see more and more people believing whatever a seller is saying about snakes, rather than starting off getting hatchlings of known bloodlines from reputable breeders.

It doesn't matter much if you're keeping the snakes as pets, but if you plan on breeding them and selling the offspring, you should be sure of their genetics, instead of making the increasingly-common "What morph is this that I just got and plan on breeding?" post.

Tim

"My guess is that he bought snakes that were mis-represented

Snakes being misrepresented??,...in TODAY'S hobby??....no way man!

"who'd ever breed an amel bloodred to a creamsicle?"

Sort of defeats the purpose there doesn't it?. Nothing these days surprises me anymore. I am baffled on an almost daily basis with some of the breeding choices I see these days. Alot of folks think that snake genetics is like mixing paint, and you will get an instant blending of all these "cool" colors when the offspring hatch out..LOL!

~Doug
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