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This #4 male yearling is definitely going to be a very stunning "high-yellow" adult. It is quite evident that he is well on his way to becoming a top-notch adult that will resemble his father.

Here is what he started out as in Sept of last year......

And this is a pic of him after he shed today.........

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>>This #4 male yearling is definitely going to be a very stunning "high-yellow" adult. It is quite evident that he is well on his way to becoming a top-notch adult that will resemble his father.
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>> Here is what he started out as in Sept of last year......
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>>And this is a pic of him after he shed today.........

They go through such crazy ontogenesis.....
That is kinda what turns me off to them....
I wish they'd keep all that awesome RED.....
If I ever get any I would buy some adults...that way I'd know what they would look like for the rest of their life....LOL

Great looking snake Doug!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Thanks John!,.....

Yeah, floridana certainly can change very drastically. But I can also safely say that if it was known that the original parent's would have looked as nice as they turned out to be, these would have never been sold to me in the first place either..LOL!

Now in some floridana, you can certainly tell they won't exactly be eye-popping colorful screamer's, and other's it is almost a coin toss if the parents phenotype is not known, but the one's like this individual that have TONS of red, or red and/or gold on their sides and cross-bars, you can safely assume those will be the ones that will turn out much nicer than most of the typical, plainer earth-toned black and cream drabber ones, ....say from the cane fields around southern Okeechobee, but as to exactly what degree only time will tell the tale as you mentioned. This is all part of the intrigue to other's too though, wich is understandable, because you can have fun watching them go through their transformation as they mature.

Also certain floridana seem to have a much greater genetic predisposition for high degrees of basal lightening(speckling) to their dorsal scale's too, and this bloodline is proving to have this nice quality as well.

This was the very reason I kept back almost the entire first clutch too, so I could see EXACTLY what the hatchlings would become. From documenting the awesome parents change, I was certain that from looking at these hatchlings they both produced, that this would definitely happen to this clutch also.

I am sure glad I had the initial plan of numbering each one and documenting each snake's photos from the very beginning too, or else their individual changes wouldn't be nearly as noticable either, and which ones turned into what would have also been virtually impossible to keep track of. Individual head markings certainly helps when it isn't certain which one is which, but when the heads aren't clearly visible in certain shots, it would be impossible to say.

Anyway, thanks man!, and I look REAL forward to working with these guys. I will probably have a couple very different types after a while of working with them from what I see so far. I can see some interesting differences in some individuals, and I strongly suspected this would be the case early on, but I am able to see it more and more as they continue to mature.

Anyway, yeah, I really like these guys!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I have a bunch of different Brooks or Floridana morphs and these guys are some of the best looking Brooks I've ever seen! I could stare at the pics of them for hours, lol. But then Brooks are one of my two alltime favorite snakes. The other ones are Alterna. Brooks and Graybands, sounds like the name of a country band, lol.
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J Sierra

HAHAA!!, yeah, it DOES sound like a music band!

Thanks Jorge!, I know brooks are some of your favorites, and beween the one's you already had before from Rainer, the one's from Mike just recently, and now the others from me along with a female from the next clutch you will have some totally killer stuff to work with yourself!, that's for darn sure man!. A few of the morphs you have are phenomenal, and that very pale ghost you have is definitely one of the nicest I have EVER seen to be quite honest.

Do yourself a big favor if you haven't already, and start documenting some good photos of your stuff while it is still very young. You will be VERY glad you did bro.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Yeah doug I have my photobucket about 1/3 full already, and it's all snake pictures,lol. Here's the bright one I got from you. It's already showing some cool colors.

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J Sierra

Very nice Jorge!... just give him a year or more and you will be rubbing your freakin eye's in disbelief!!.HAHAA!

....lookin good bud!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Coincidentally while working with the Mex Mex I have I am trying to figure out a "marker" or something that will help me identify which neonates will be black adults and which will be Hypoerthristic. Since both "Phases" are ontogenetic it has proven rather difficult.....For now I will just raise them up and take periodic pictures to document their change.......

If they hatched out black and/or pink/salmon these things would be much funner to work with, but they are still second on my most favorite kingsnake list.....LOL

Eventually after a few generations of line breeding it will be a given what each one will look like as an adult, but until then I got to raise them up and pick and chose which ones I want to move out and which ones fit in my projects.......

Glad you are still making it interesting in your snake room Doug.....That is what I am trying to do with all of mine over here.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Yeah John, as a matter of fact, after I first posted my reply, I thought to myself that these were very comparable to some of the mex-mex you are working with too..LOL!. Being as certain morphs and individual's undergo a very similar type of substantial ontogenetic changing whith their coloration as well. And not knowing exactly what to expect with some of them until later on as they mature..LOL!

Yep!, it will be fun for both of us I'm sure, so good luck with your animal's too!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Beautiful snake...both "before" and "after" LOL!!!

What's its lineage?

Thank!,....

They are line-bred floridana that over a number of years were noted for their higher red coloration as hatchling. Which in turn typically equates to more yellow later on as adults.

The parent lineage was said to have originated from southern Miami/Dade county years ago. I talked to the original collector that personally captured countless floridana from that area from the 70's and well into the late 80's or so. He said that he too would produce individuals that had exceptional amounts of red from time to time from many of the line breedings he did.

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Unbelievable! Very nice looking!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks Billy!,.....I love lifting up their hid boxes from time to time to gander at how these little gems are changing now and then. Sometimes it is hard to grasp because I see them so often and they change so gradually, but once in a great while when I pull up some old pics of them and compare them to recent photos, it just blows me totally away at what the are becoming..LOL!

You should post a before and now pic of you sweet hypo brooks one of these days too. I am betting you will be pleasantly shocked as well..LOL!

later, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Yea, it is a trip on how much they can change, even in a year.

Here's my hypo brooks when I got her:

Here she is a few weeks back:

It seems nearly impossible to capture her banana-yellow colors in pics. She looks so much better in person. Oh well!!
Her reddish colors are slowly washing out to the yellowish tones. She has grown big time as well! I love this snake!

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Genesis 1:1

Awesome bro!,...she is lightening up real nice man!

Yeah, I definitely know what you mean about not being able to capture accurate depictions of their colors. I have that problem quite often, and alot of the time it seems to be from the above light source not being strong enough.

I might invest in some inexpensive adjustable tripods with special lighting one of these days, but I find that if I set the flash very low so it only "fill-flashes" the subject a bit, it usually compensates much better and brings the colors out more. Not enought to "wash-out" the subject, just enough to fill in some. I can't remember the exact photography term that my dad told me it was, but it has something to do with the way the camera perceives the available light into the lens, and it brightens and makes subjects sharper and more colorful when there is more available light. Maybe "aperture value" or some such thing..LOL!

Dude, yeah, I definitely remember seeing her at Meltzer's table when you first got her, and she was indeed a VERY nice vivid banana yellow!. She's going to be a smoker!!

Thanks for the updated pic of her man!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Thanks man!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is turning out to be a screamer. She is also as calm as any of my pits.
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Genesis 1:1

That is great man!. Yeah, all mine are sweetheart's too, I just have to make sure they know it is my hand first, and not my hand offering them food first..LOL!. But once that is established, they are VERY easy-going, and a real joy to hold. Especially after working with so many spastic nervous Honduran youngsters..HAHA!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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That's a great picture! Even the medium looks great, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

LOL!, thanks man!,....yeah, I really like how that shot turned out too.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hey Billy, that's a very nice looking Hypo! You are right it's very hard to get true colors to come thru in pictures. I have not posted pictures of certain snakes cause I just can't do them justce with my piont and shoot camera skills, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Thanks for your compliments!!
Yeah, it is very hard for some pics to show the snakes' true colors. Normally, I am able to do so, but for this particular snake, her screaming-yellow colors are just hard to capture.
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Genesis 1:1

Nice! Any particular lineage there?
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Thanks Tony!,.....

Well, I can't trace them back to any two particular original animals from the specific spot they were found, but here is what I know about the bloodline in general.....

They are line-bred floridana that over a number of years were progressively noted for their higher red coloration as hatchlings. Which in turn typically equates to more yellow later on as adults.

The parent lineage was said to have originated from southern Miami/Dade county from many years ago. I talked to the original collector that personally captured countless floridana from that area from the 70's and well into the late 80's or so. He told me that he too would produce individuals that had exceptional amounts of red, or red and golden yellow from time to time from many of the line breedings he did from the animals he found there.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I first will admit to a momentary DUH....
I opened your post and scrolled far enough to read the text and see the first pict. You said HIGH YELLOW and I said, that doesn't seem very yellow to me.....then I scrolled down a bit more. Very nice! And I don't even care for most kings....something about being chewed on. But all the same...very nice.
Now is this the sort of thing that you know that it will go that yellow due to it's genetics and that is all?
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Sonya

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Happy Bunny

Well, yeah, knowing what both it's parents looked like as tiny hatchlings, and what they look like now, and then looking at the offspring they had last year, then seeing how THEY are also progressing, I am getting a good idea of just how nice these are going to be too. But the cool part is they have a LOOONG way to go still, which is exciting as all heck!!!.

Of course the whole clutch has some unique individual variation, but all are definitely exceptional. Some greenish-yellow speckled, some golden yellow, some golden/coppery bronze and yellow, etc.., but all have a very nice amount of yellow as they are maturing. There was even one EXTREMELY aberrant patterned and colored blotched individual that I produced from the two yellow adults below that is basically beyond all comprehension, and he will be a neon banana bomb-shell when he is mature. He is just off the chart all by himself.

Here are two pics of the parents to get an idea of what they look like now. And below that is the crazy aberrant one they produced, that was solid red and dark brown as a hatchling, but is now getting more and more yellow every shed. He is very orange/yellow now as you can see, and it will continue to change into heavy yellow by his second to third year of age.

~Doug

after hatching..........

a recent pic about a month ago......

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Man that thing is insaine! It's more like wide banded than aberrant really.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

That is precisely how I described it to Billy when it first hatched. The cross-bars are simlpy FAAAR wider than normal, thus giving the appearance of "blotches" instead of the normal thinner cross-bars typical of most.

good eye bro!, that is exactly what the deal is. Still aberrant though in every sense of the word, because it is not "normal", but most people are used to the term "aberrant" describing a very abstract mosaic type patterning on snakes they are familiar with.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Gorgeous yearling Doug. Sorry didn't have much time to chit chat down in daytona this year.Hey, how in the heck did I get on here?

Awesome DUDE!!.......

Thanks buddy, and happy to see you swing by and make an appearance on the forum man!

Hopefully those huge awesome sticticeps I got from you will go next year too bro!. Man, they are some big healthy critters now Howie, you would freakin flip if you saw them now!!..LOL!

again, glad to see a post from ya finally!..LOL!

later man, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Hey Howie......
How's it going?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Like everyone else said, just incredible. Better than any of the morphs IMHO.

Thanks man!,..I am really happy to hear all the nice compliments on these brooks I have, and I am extremely proud of being able to work with this particular bloodline to be quite honest

You have some super fine stuff yourself!

As a matter of fact, some people were asking about your hypo Everglades over on the "ratsnake" forum, and I told them that you just posted some real nice animals you had including the sweet hypo glades too. So if you read this anytime soon, you might want to hop over there and make a reply.

Thanks again man!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com