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Does anyone know if the Hypo and Whitesided Glades you see aroud true everglades? Or are they breeding other rat snake blood into the glades. Just curious. Thanks for any feedback

Allen Sheehan

That's a really good question!I have a pr. of hypos and a normal look het. for nothing.I've pondered the idea of getting a pr. of white sideds but haven't so far because of doubts of their validity.The first white sideds I recall seeing were black rats! Jeff

Yea I also remember that the black rats were the first to have the white sides. I suspect someone bred them into the glades line but again I could be very incorrect. I would also really like to learn the history of the hypo line in Glades. Do true Glades have a solid red tongue or can they have a red tongue with black stripes or spots?

Thanks
Allen Sheehan

The tongue should be red, but not necessarily solid red. The whole solid red tongue thing was either made up or misinterpreted by hobbyists.

Secondly, there is really no such thing as a "true Glades". All the captive lines (including the Love line) are South Florida Yellow Rats that were selectively bred for orange coloration. None came from any homogeneous orange rat snakes populations, and it is debatable whether there were ever any consistent Glades rat populations.

Aren't the white sided rats licorice rat snakes? So the white sided glades has the mix of everglades and licorice. I'm not 100%. Someone else can confirm or correct me on this.
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I don't think the so-called whitesided "Everglades" are genuine Everglades at all to be quite honest. I think they are more Yellow rat, but that is also an entirely OTHER can of worms too..LOL! Those are more than likely products of being crossed with the white-sided Black Ratsnake and Yellow Rat, and probably don't have any Everglades at ALL in them more than likely, but that isn't to say that somebody hasn't thrown one in to the mix at some point, after all, that is what many people do now days, throw more ingredients into the pot from some other source..LOL!

And BTW, yes to the other person that suspected the W/S Blacks were also known in the hobby as "licorice" Black Rats, they are indeed.

Now I know for a fact there were GENUINE hypo-xanthic Yellow Rat hets being offered in 1996 by (I think) Gulf Coast Reptiles for $250 bucks each!. Those guys called them something like "anerythristic" Yellow Rats then, because they didn't know the proper term of what pigment cells were being affected at that time, but I knew simply by looking at them then that they were definitely 100% hypo-xanthic(very reduced yellow pigmentation). They were VERY pale, and faded even more down the sides. The only thing that was truly yellow was a little bit of their face and chin area, the rest was a creamy/straw coloration. Those seemed to fade away into the sunset after a while, and I have no idea what ever became of those hets, or the original few homozygous hypoxanthic individuals either, but I don't believe for a second these White-sided animals today are genuine Everglades in the least. They are more than likely The Black-sided trait introduced into Yellows first, then POSSIBLY someone "MIGHT" have tossed glades into the equation later on, but more than likely they are simply more Yellow than any glades being involved whatsoever in my opinion.

Now to the poster that asked about the origin of the hypo Everglades, those are indeed genuine hypomelanistic Everglades Rats that were originated by Bill Love back in right about 1989-90. And were most definitely the genuine article. Problem with MANY things in this hobby anymore is, everybody cant refrain theirselves from crossing everything, and "stealing" genetic traits from totally different ssp of snakes to create a so-called "new" morph..LOL!!.yeah, ....right!

Seems it is getting tougher and tougher every single breeding year to trust some new deal showing up in the herp hobby. That is just one of the many reasons I don't like crosses, or condone the crossing of just about everything out in the hobby now,....with kingsnakes it is getting downright ridiculous too, rats, kings, corns....and so on and so on, it just never stops, and it will only snowball far more. Anyway, I don't look real forward to that aspect of this hobby at all.

But anyway, the hypo glade's are, or at least DID start out 100% genuine hypomelanistic glades from Bill Love just about exactly 20 years ago.

Jason (Snakesunlimited1) posted this nice pile of hypo Everglades a while back, and these are still 100% Bill Love's nice hypo bloodline from way back. These will change drastically into bright, vivid orange/red snakes as they mature, and look just like the nice example Jeff Cochran has posted in the past.

regards, ~Doug

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Well if anyone is aware or knows of someone producing or offering a true Hypo Glades I would sure like to be pointed in that direction. In the meantime I will kep my eyes open for tham as well.

Allen Sheehan

Yeah Allen, I would get in touch with Jeff Cocran by PM by clicking his username highlighted in blue, or Jason(Snakesunlimited1) by the same method. Those guys both have some real-deal gorgeous hypo Everglades. Here is a link with a pic of Jeff's beauty, and you saw the pile of babies that Jason posted a while back. Don't know how old the pic was, but he might have some himself, or at least know who does......same with Jeff too, he could tell you were he got his from also.

Good luck getting some of those gems!

here is a link to Jeff's post........

~Doug
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There was a guy on kingsnake by the name of 'DonV' that was selling really nice hypo everglade babies a little more than a month ago. You might want to contact him to see if he has any more available. If you scroll down in the history you should see his name.
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1.1 Normal BCI Colombian Boa
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
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1.1 Hypo Everglades Rat Snake
0.1 Mexican Black King snake
1.0 Sunglow Corn Snake
1.0 Sunglow Motley Corn Snake
1.0 Coral Snow Corn Snake
1.0 Bearded Dragon
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0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula
0.0.2 Emporer Scorpion
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He just posted a bunch of his nice stuff including this sweet hypo Everglades a few minutes ago on the "kingsnake" forum!. His post is only the second one down right now.

~Doug

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Wow, I'm stoked. I bought a male from DonV about a month ago. I can't wait for my guy to look like that. Here he is now at a little over two months.

Awesome man!,......that is nice looking even now!, but yeah, you will be extremely happy later on!...congrats!

~Doug
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Glad to see he's doing well. They color up pretty fast. By one year that should be a mostly orange snake. With an enormous appetite.

Hey Don, he's doing great, pounding f/t pinkies and growing fast. The orange is already starting to creep in. He's gonna be a stunner for sure.

...that's really all there is to it!
rossalleni doesn't get any nicer than that!

~Doug

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Beautiful everglades! You are so right about the appatite!Lol! Jeff

WOW... That is an incredible Hypo.. I just shot DonV a message.

Thanks Doug. you are always helpful

Allen Sheehan

You are very welcome my friend!

and good luck scoring some beauties!

~Doug
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