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Just picked up my first brooks king. Bought her as an anery het hypo (ghost). Gorgeous girl. Can't wait to start producing these.

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Nick Puder
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Those could be black and white photos...

I love the anery / axanthic stuff. Very nice girl you have.

byron.d

Thanks! I think she looks better in person than in the pics. If you asked me last year I would have said I will never get into brooks, but she is just awesome!
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Nick Puder
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Yeah they always look better in person! I love the brooks kings, actually any of the eastern varieties of the common kings. They are impressive animals for sure. Good luck with yours.
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J Sierra

Is this a New England Axanthic? I have many morphs of brooks but I don't have any of these. I need to get some, lol.
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J Sierra

I picked her up as an anery but I don't know much about brooks morphs. Care to post an adult anery if you have one so I can compare?
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Nick Puder
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That's what I was trying to say. I have anery and Axanthic genes in some of my Brooks but I don't have any actual Phenotypes of Anery or Axanthic. I'm thionking about breeding my ghost to a snow just to get some, lol. The problem is that I think both of my snows are from Anery lines. If that's so then I won't get any Axanthics at all most likely. I may just hold out for a New England? Whatever that one is you have, it's a very nice looking snake for sure! Here is my ghost which is from Axanthic and Hypo, with his future mate who is hypo het for Axanthic.

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J Sierra

Very nice, love that ghost! Wouldn't want to do a loan would you?
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Nick Puder
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Lol, that's one of my pride and joys! I would be chewing my nails off till I got him back. If yours is a female you shouldn't have too much trouble finding a male for her. I think I saw some in the classifieds just recently? Might even still be there.
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J Sierra

I was sort of wondering the same thing when I looked at the pic. Seems like it has that nice bluish hue that is mre typically seen in the axanthics?

I saw some at a pet shop that looked like definite axanthics and a had a real nice bluish cast to them, and they were labeled as "anerythristics" too. I told the owner that they were actually "axanthic",....but later on they never changed the label..LOL!

I think so many of these get called either morph interchangeably now too. Now I'm sure there is always "some" variation in individuals, that only makes logical sense, but it does seem to have that cool bluish hue, rather than just being black & white/cream that most anery's display. Also, most anery's I have seen arent as heavily speckled either, but more of the "Cane Field" floridana look. Know what I mean?

Certainly not taking away any of that snake's true beauty, because I think it is SUPER NICE!, I just wonder if it isn't really a New England axanthic like you mentioned, or possibly one of the other lines....BHB, Lemke, or whatever. I know the Vew England line is definitely the more blueish bloodline, but if all three lines were next to each other in their PURE form, you would see a pretty noticable difference between them I'm sure.

Anyway, that is a nice looking snake whatever the case is!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Just hoping I get a male of the right line so I can hatch some. I too am a little worried about the interchangeability of the terms.
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Nick Puder
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Check out Rainer's site here and click on the anery and axanthic individuals in those photos. That thing looks to be a definite axanthic and not an anery to me. Check out the pics here and you will certainly see what I mean. The anery's have the black and white big wide, more solid interbands between the crossbars,and far less basal speckling too. Click around an the different photos and you will see.

Yours looks like a nice N.E. axanthic to me!

bluerosy.com

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I saw that site and thought the same thing. I asked and was told she was definitely an anery, but she looks more like NE axanthic to me based on that site. Time to hunt down a hypo het axanthic male!
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

Yeah, it all depends on if someone knows exactly what morph they are looking at, and started with, not simply what someone else "said" they were as you certainly know..LOL!

Heck, I see stuff grossly misrepresented every single day.

I saw a very normal brooks at a pet store a while back, and it was labeled as a "hypo", then a few tanks down they had a genuine hypo in the tank. I brought the dude over and said..." see that snake?, that is indeed a hypo!,.....now see this other one over here??, this is NOT a hypo, it is a very typical normal brooksi"..LOL!
This was the very same store that had anery's and axanthics all labelled "anerythristics".

Hell, I see Honduran x Pueblans offered as Hondurans too, but that sure as heck doesn't mean they are..LOL!

Anyway, yeah, From what I see, yours is a nice axanthic, and very likely a New England line at that I am thinking.

Good luck with getting a good matched mate for it!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I know what you mean, which is why I did some research before buying a mate. Could still be tough as I may buy a misrepresented male. Might have been a difficult way to start getting into brooks. Thanks for the comments and info!
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

Yeah, but Rainer(bluerosy)I think, and a good number of other's do indeed still have some non-outcrossed N.E. axanthic bloodlines, and you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting one. Just look for the very speckled up bluish hue individuals from some reputable folks that have them, and you should be fine.

As hatchlings they are pretty distinctive blue looking, as opposed to anery's that are a much more plain dark and white with more solid looking interbands between the light crossbars and usually far less speckling too in the one's I have ever seen.

My friend Don Shores has some New England axanthics right now.

here is his link below!....

~Doug

Link

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I just saw all 3 he has were female...sorry!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I don't know, his axathics are pretty dark! I did look there, what I really want is an adult hypo het axanthic so I can get a nice mix of babies from the clutch.
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Nick Puder
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They lighten and speckle-up substantially as they mature.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very nice looking animal!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks Doug!
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

What an awesome snake there Nick!!
Good find there!!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks Billy!
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Nick Puder
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I know I'm echoing what others have already said, but yeah, I'd say that's an Axanthic for sure. I have a few sub-adult Anery's and they do NOT look like that beauty. I also have a couple hatchling Axanthics but they're too young too tell what they're gonna look like later on; I'm assuming like their parents, which look a lot like yours. I freakin LOVE Axanthics and yours is exactly why! BEAUTIFUL SNAKE!!!!!!!!!

Here's a pic of a typical Anery.

That one is very cool, and honestly that's what I thought I was going to receive! Didn't think I liked axanthics as much as anerys like that one, but I've grown very fond of this girl's looks in a very short time!
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Nick Puder
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Geez, is that a king or a python? The girth of that thing is impressive.
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Mark

She decided she was no longer friendly when I got the camera out, so she is puffing and hissing during this shoot.
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Nick Puder
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