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I just received these from Joe Bernardo. CH eastern coachwhips.

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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings

Cool. Will those develop black heads and neck? I really like that look on coachwhips. Are they eating rodents?

Yes their heads and necks will get darker as they grow. Feeding on F/T mice. They have been since hatching according to Joe B. They take really hot temps 100*F hot spot and deep bedding so they can burrow and feel secure. Truly intelligent looking snakes and they watch you, closely.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Yeah they watch you so they can bite the crap out of you! I had a wc that was over 6 feet! Meaner than a junk yard dog, lol. I had to let it go cause it was gonna tear up it's face on the cage glass. I have been able to tame down some wc babies though, but I didn't keep them long so I don't know how well they tame down in the long haul? They are cool looking for sure.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Well I'm in for the long haul with these guys. I've been fortunate in hooking up with Joe Bernardo, he's been keeping ECWs for nearly 30 years and has developed good husbandry for keeping these guys happy and healthy. I love snakes with attitude. LOL
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Love the mean bad-ass sneer look these two have because of their pronounced supraocular scales...HAHAA!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Yea my first thought when I saw them was wicked evil.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

That evil look reminded me of this very funny video.
Link

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Kent

0.1 Hypomelanistic striped cornsnake
1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnake hatchlings
2.2 Normal (het hypo, lavender, striped) cornsnake hatchlings
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase
1.1 Oregon rubber boas

HAHAA!!, man, that was hilarious!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

looks like Exskume please I Believe Ive dropped somthing,,,gtg

Those are really cool looking. Such hostile looking faces.
Tom Stevens
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I found one of these in my front yard the other day. About 2 feet long. Surprisingly not aggressive.
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2.6.2 Hondurans (Normal, amel, hypo, anery, ghost)
1.2.0 Pueblans (Normal, hypo)
0.1.0 Corn Bloodred
0.0.1 GBK Blair's Phase
1.1.0 California King (normal, blue-eyed blond)
0.2.0 Speckled Kings Calcasieu Parish locality
1.1.0 Brooksi Hypo
1.1.0 Goini/Brooks Cross (Blaze and hypo)
1.1.0 San Diego gophers
0.0.1 Texas Rat
0.0.1 Jungle Carpet
0.1.0 Ball, Normal
0.0.1 Sulcata
1.2.1 Leopard Geckos(various morphs)
0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana Integrade WC

Yes, not all will try to kill you every time. I messed around with a wild caught pair back in the early '90s that were aggressive to hold (very wild and fast, like they normally are) but neither ever made an attempt to bite. Of course, they might have been in the midst of a serious romance because six weeks after I got them the female laid a dozen eggs!

"they might have been in the midst of a serious romance because six weeks after I got them the female laid a dozen eggs"

So those two had smiles on their faces instead of the typical "sneery" look, correct?..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

A double bonus not biting and eggs. Sweet.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards