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Nothing special just an average Snow. The winter blues are starting.

Thanks Jason

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Looks like it is snowing in UT. Nice snake.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Thanks.

I notice you have some Coachwhips. How do they do in captivity?

Jason

I haven't had these very long, so far they are doing fine. They're C/H juvis so it's not quite the same issues with W/C. Feeding on live pinkies right now. You do have to keep them a lot hotter than a typibcal colubrid, more like a desert lizard. I know kev53 on the CW forum is working with W/C westerns and he has gotten them to do well and even breed for him. He's currently working on getting his juvis all feeding.

They are well worth the extra little effort.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

I too have one and they are very special!

BTW can you tell me what albino strain is usually in the mix in the SD snows?

Thanks,

-Ryan

Most Snow SDs have Bechtel line of amel.

Jason

Thanks! That is news to me. I've seen a couple WC anery SDs but I heard that the anery was bred into snow SDs from pacific gophers?

Either way my anery & snow have the full SD look
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6.7 pituophis c. annectans
1.1 senticolis t. intermedia
1.1 rhinechis scalaris
1.2 lampropeltis m. thayeri
2.1 pantherophis g. guttatus
1.1 lampropeltis t. campbelli

1.1 pituophis x pantherophis
1.1 lampropeltis campbelli x thayeri x nelsoni

Hi Ryan

I think that it may be the other way around. I would question the purity of Pacific Snow before the San Diego. I know from talking to some of the old school snake breeders about that the original Snow annectans were pure. Weather that information was accurate or not I don't know but I have to give them the benefit. The Bechtel Albino bloodline was originally used to make Snows. I think over the years some people have added Albino Applegate into the mix.

In the late 90s and early 00s I was really into Annectans and did a lot of buying and digging for info.

Jason

Thanks I wonder about these things allot. I heard that the klumpers trait wont combine/mix with any other trait, have you heard about that?
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6.7 pituophis c. annectans
1.1 senticolis t. intermedia
1.1 rhinechis scalaris
1.2 lampropeltis m. thayeri
2.1 pantherophis g. guttatus
1.1 lampropeltis t. campbelli

1.1 pituophis x pantherophis
1.1 lampropeltis campbelli x thayeri x nelsoni

I know Klumpers and Dyers are combatable, I proved that out! I personally think they are the same gene. Just line breed for different looks. While Jack Dyer bred for a patternless look. Michael Klumper breed for more pattern, which means more contrast. That is why they have such different looks. Klumper got his animals from Loyd Lemmky as normals but obviously they where het for Dyers. Jack and Loyd knew each other, California connections. All this is speculation on my part and my opinion.

Gregg Feaster and I had small group of Klumpers imported from Europe. I believe we had the first Klumpers in the states.
In the early 2000s I bought Jack Dyer remaining Dyer colony.

I have mixed Klumpers and Dyers with alot of morphs during the last 10 years and no other combo traits nave be produced yet other then the Dyergates.

If you want we can talk over the phone, I can share all that I know. It maybe easier.

Jason

(661) 431-2014

Its good to know that recessive traits can be line bred to such intensity, applegate told me thats what he did too, bred for the highest white blotches with the darkest red/orange ground color.
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6.7 pituophis c. annectans
1.1 senticolis t. intermedia
1.1 rhinechis scalaris
1.2 lampropeltis m. thayeri
2.1 pantherophis g. guttatus
1.1 lampropeltis t. campbelli

1.1 pituophis x pantherophis
1.1 lampropeltis campbelli x thayeri x nelsoni