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I`m new to the world of hognose morphs. I`m confused by some of the terminology with the various morphs. Everytime I see a hypo it`s labeled as evans/lazik line, are there other lines of hypos ? If not, isn`t it a bit redundant ? Also the hypos, toffee belly and caramel all look similar in the pics I`ve seen. Can someone post a comparison pic with adults next to each other ?
Just trying to get as much info as possible.
Thanks, Mark Petros
400 ball pythons and 6 hognose

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Mark Petros Reptiles
BallPython777.com

>>I`m new to the world of hognose morphs. I`m confused by some of the terminology with the various morphs. Everytime I see a hypo it`s labeled as evans/lazik line, are there other lines of hypos ? If not, isn`t it a bit redundant ? Also the hypos, toffee belly and caramel all look similar in the pics I`ve seen. Can someone post a comparison pic with adults next to each other ?
>>Just trying to get as much info as possible.
>>Thanks, Mark Petros
>>400 ball pythons and 6 hognose
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>>Mark Petros Reptiles
>>BallPython777.com

There is only one Hypo (t positive) line that I know of. I agree that it is a bit redundant labeling them evans/lazik. I've stopped doing it myself and now just post them as just Hypos.

I don't know anything about caramels and don't plan to ever own any myself as I believe they are basically the same thing as Hypos.

Toffees are like a high-def version of hypos and are also different as they have black paradoxing. Toffees and Hypos are not compatible as far I know. I believe someone posted on the forums a couple weeks or months ago that they had bred toffee to hypo hets or something and didn't get any visuals.

I personally have made the choice to try and only work with toffees as I love the paradoxing they express.

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Greg Bennett - Western Hognose Morphs | Boa Morphs
520.Hognose (520.464.6673) - www.bennettreptiles.com

Thanks Greg, I appreciate your response.
Do all toffee`s express some degree of paradox ?
In comparing a toffee to a hypo... they look similar yet the toffee`s are a lot more expensive. If they were side by side would the toffee look significantly better or are they more $$$ just because they are a newer more rare morph ?
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Mark Petros Reptiles
BallPython777.com

>>Thanks Greg, I appreciate your response.
>>Do all toffee`s express some degree of paradox ?
>>In comparing a toffee to a hypo... they look similar yet the toffee`s are a lot more expensive. If they were side by side would the toffee look significantly better or are they more $$$ just because they are a newer more rare morph ?
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>>Mark Petros Reptiles
>>BallPython777.com
I only have a small collection of toffees but all of mine have paradoxing.

My adult female toffee:

My adult female hypo:

I can't say why people are asking more for toffees. I've seen toffees sell from $1500-$2000 and I've also seen people asking a lot more for them.

I personally like the toffees look better but it's very hard to say all of one morph will look better than another. Hognose are very variable animals so the morphs will be the same. I recommend just finding one you like looking at and go with that.

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Greg Bennett - Western Hognose Morphs | Boa Morphs
520.Hognose (520.464.6673) - www.bennettreptiles.com

Wow, Greg ... those are both beautiful.
I look forward to adding both those morphs to my collection in the near future. Thanks again for the information.
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Mark Petros Reptiles
BallPython777.com

Mark, It's certainly easy to become confused. When most of us refer to Evans/Lazik hypos it is mainly a way for the buyer to know where the morph can trace its origins. I have seen some hypos advertised as " true " hypos, though I never asked about them. My personal preference is to know as much about the origin of my hognose as possible.

I have seen toffee bellies that appear to be caramels. I have seen albinos that appear to be hypos. I guess my best advice is to deal with reputable breeders, and ask a lot of questions.

Wendell

>>Mark, It's certainly easy to become confused. When most of us refer to Evans/Lazik hypos it is mainly a way for the buyer to know where the morph can trace its origins. I have seen some hypos advertised as " true " hypos, though I never asked about them. My personal preference is to know as much about the origin of my hognose as possible.
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>>I have seen toffee bellies that appear to be caramels. I have seen albinos that appear to be hypos. I guess my best advice is to deal with reputable breeders, and ask a lot of questions.
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>>Wendell

From my understanding "True Hypos" are a new recessive morph that are completely different looking than what we call Hypos (t-positives). I've seen pictures of them and they are a dark brown, chocolate color (best way I could describe them).
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Greg Bennett - Western Hognose Morphs | Boa Morphs
520.Hognose (520.464.6673) - www.bennettreptiles.com