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Hi guys,

My name is Jack Noles and I have been out of the hobby for a few years raising a family but am getting back to it now. I just got my hands on a few snakes that are pretty interesting. I got 2 female Lake Capala Milks that were of the originals that Bob Applegate had a while back. Unfortunately there were no males left from that group. These are from the north shore of Lake Chapala near Mezcala de La Asuncion. I also received an additional male and female but I do not know the source of these 2. Have there been many groups of these imported? Have they all been from the same area? These are all 3ft adults and I hope to produce some of these this coming season. They were a little low in weight when I received them but they are eating fine and will hopefully have sufficient weight soon. I may have to delay brumation a bit.

This is the male of the group.

Those are really nice man!,..congratulations on those guys!

I believe Shannon Brown (of High Sierra Reptiles) still has his 100% genuine "Lake Chapala" arcifera. He even has an insane hypermelanistic individual too, or at least did not very long ago. I would definitely get in touch with him about those. As you already know, there isn't a whole lot of sources for the real-deal Jalisco's.

Again, those look real nice!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks Doug,

I did see Shannon's on his website. One of the ones I have looks more similar to his than the others I have. I wonder if they are from the same source and a different locality or just a lot of variation in the patterns?

Shannon if you see this, do you know the origin of the ones you have?

Jack

Hi Jack,
They are all the same.There was only ever one source.They all come from Applegate.
I have produced many babies that are almost solid black and white.They look pretty cool.
Anyway, I just sold off my last one a few weeks ago and I won't be working with them.

L8r Shannon

Thanks Shannon,

That black and white one does look nice. Can you tell me who got yours in case I want to get some others later? Is there anything different breeding those vs other milk snakes? Are they normally pretty thin snakes by build? Mine seem healthy but appear a little thin.

I also got a jalisco ruthveni that came from Applegate. It's about a 30" female that I will be looking to pair up. See photo. Were all of those from one group also? Is that the one's collected by the Dallas zoo?

Thanks again,

Jack

Yes, I can tell you who has them.Just shoot me a e-mail and I will tell you off forum.Not sure all the people that have them want them advertised.

Anyway, yes they are a slender animal.My adults where maybe 32 inches long and only large enough to eat a large hopper or small full grown mouse.There body type is long, slender and very round.
Seven eggs was my biggest clutch ever but 5 was the average.

The "jalisco ruthveni" you got from Bob is indeed the Tapalpa line (most western form of ruthveni known)that was collected in the early 80"s buy the Texas Mafia (LOL....)....

Anyway, I can help you pair yours up if you need one.

L8r Shannon

p.s. the picture below is a tapalpa (f3) that I produced a few years ago.I call it my Diablo line and it is genetic.

Hi

Just a few pictures from denmark.

Lampropeltis triangulum arcifera

Lampropeltis ruthveni, Rancho San Francisco, near Tapalpa

Lampropeltis ruthveni form Amaelco, not the best photo.

Regards
Ruben Skjellerup
www.kongesnog.dk