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Hi, I have been out of snakes for about 5 years due to my military service, but now I am getting back into them. It is amazing to see how many morphs have been created and how prices have changed in that time. Anyway...
Is anyone familiar with any morphs being bred in Eastern Kings? I have seen pics on google of some Albinos, but I can't seem to find any for sale. Anyway, I was just wondering if there are any morphs existing.

Thanks,
Mark

Yeah I believe there is an albino form, that is from true Eastern blood. There are always ones that have been crossed with Florida and even Cal Kings too. I like the local specific like the Chesepeak, and the S. Georgia wide banded, or the N. Carolinas and the best one the Outer banks from the Islands off the coast of N. Carolina. Others will chime in I'm sure.
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Hi,

Yes, there are several distinct morphs of easterns out there. They are not bred with the regularity of Cal. or Fla. kings, but you should be able to track down the breeders who work with the varieties that you like. I have recently decided to focus solely on my GA, NJ and OBX lineages, but Jeff Schofield
(a regular here) should be producing lavender albinos next year and several folks work with NERD/Chaing amelanistic albinos. Good luck.

Will

south GA easterns.....DROOOOOL! IMHO some of the neatest getula out there.
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" but Jeff Schofield
(a regular here) should be producing lavender albinos next year"

Hi Will,.......

Yeah,...And the only reason Jeff knew those lavender's of yours ever existed in the first place, was because he was arguing with me a long time ago about the existence of anything other than the amels being in the hobby, and didn't think there WAS such a morph at all until I told him about yours in Hubbs' book.

Didn't take him long at all to make a "bee-line" to you at a show to talk to you about getting those after he knew about them.

BTW, if you don't mind me asking, exactly how did you come about that first lavender anyway?.

thanks!, ~Doug
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Hi Doug,

About 10 or 11 years ago, as I was trying to diversify my eastern collection, I put the word out to all of my contacts that I would pay top dollar for any unusual easterns that became available. At that time, I think that I was nearly the only one interested in easterns, so I got quite a few calls. One of which was about two lavender colored babies that were reportedly hatched by a dealer from a wild collected N. Carolina female. One of the babies (which subsequently died) was kept by the dealer and one was sold to me. I believe the normal colored sibs and the mom were just sold outright. Even though I was skeptical, I bought the baby and figured with time it would show itself to have some other influence, such as some speckling or morphological characteristics. However, as the thing matured, it grew into this giant, beautiful textbook eastern. The color has shifted slightly from lavender to bronzy, but otherise this snake has kept its color and pattern of thin, yet bold, high chains. Many friends who keep N. Carolina easterns have seen him and have stated that he is very reminiscent (besides color obviously) of animals that they have captured in the state. I hatched some hets and one lavender baby with red chains, but unfortunately, that beauty died almot immediately. As time went on, my interests moved from albino kings to Morelia pythons; and since those cute little diamonds and boelens grew up fast, my need for cage space increased exponentially, so many things had to go.

Ole' Jeff, just caught me at a time when I was shifting my priorities and trying to make some cage space, so he took him and a het female off of my hands. Take care.

Will

Very interesting indeed Will!,...and thanks a bunch for the cool details.

Yeah, I too have a very keen eye for things, and as soon as I saw that photo I also can easily say by the photo alone(which was quite nice BTW), it seems to look quite genuine to me too by the pattern phenotype alone, and certainly DOES look identical in pattern to many other native getula in the eastern areas.

take care, and thanks for the neat details on those.

~Doug
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Wow good insight and information, thanks for those who responded. I love Easterns and have a pair cooling right now, and I will be keeping an eye out for any available morphs.

Thanks, Mark

There are some cool locality pattern morphs too, like the "mosaics" that originated from "Edisto Island" off the coast of S. Carolina, and a guy by the name of Ricky Waters collected a different earlier mosaic line in the 90's in Berkeley County, S.C. , and the Edisto Island mosaics where from wild collected stock in 1997 in Charleston County, S. Carolina.

There is also a bizarre "bullseye" morph with distinct circle patterning that are only known from Mitchell County, Georgia as well. And of course the southern Georgia wide-banded types found near the Florida panhandle and on into southern GA. Many of these are known to be contain strong influence of varing degrees with the neighboring "blotched kings" (goini) found to the south.

Oh!, and of course the awesome and very distinct Outer Banks kings off the coast of N. Carolina from Buxton south through Cape Hatteras and Ocracoke Island and further down into the Grand Banks to Cape Lookout!

Anyway, yes, there are definitely quite a few very cool Eastern types to choose from if you look around.......good luck!

regards, ~Doug
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This summer was particularly humid here in the Boston area and with my caging choice(acrylic)I am moving away from milks and into more kingsnakes. Keeping them communally I plan on producing some REAL nice Getula next year. Included will be:

Lavender Albino-the Will Still animals I STOLE when he went insane

Red eye Albinos-The origin of this line is in question because it came from a integrade zone but at f3-4 and only having bred to Easterns the line is most definately Eastern to all except those LOCALITY NUTS. PS to the NUTS-they are NOT morphs!!

Mosaic Easterns-I got a KILLER male that Keith Hillson used to have, maybe the nicest I've ever seen! See PIC!

I also keep N.FL. locale Chains, Blaze Goini Kings, and 2-3 different strains of Getula Intergrades that have been crossed simply to combine morphs! These are more variable, more colorful, and more fun than any other line! Several guys are working with these now, and Zenny proved that the Albino gene in the Red eye line is the same gene working in Rainer's Red eye Brooks line! I picked up a female JELLY from him that looks exactly like a chain king!

They are alot more than simple black and white kings now!!

This actually came from a Jelly Brooks x alb.chain/goini het.

They got goooood drugs in upstate NY I'm thinkin!

The hypo gene is sooo variable, these are very fun to work with!

Hey buddy,

I'm glad you were able to benefit from my insanity. You should have seen the male hypo/striped obk that I gave Howie S. a couple of years ago in Daytona while in a state of hangover induced psychosis.

It was time to part company and I knew that they would do very well for you. With your enthusiasm and those snakes, you should be able to encircle the world with lavender easterns within a couple of years. Good luck with them. I know that they are in good hands.

Will

PSW - watch that female het, she may be small, but she nearly killed the lavender male a couple of years ago. Make sure she is well fed before making introductions.