Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Bullsnakes are so amazing at being adaptable to all sorts of different environments and habitat. Here's a bullsnake from roughly a mile high (Denver)in elevation. I'm hoping for a pair of these when Chris produces some.

Terry Parks

Terry, nice, I have a pair of P.sayi from Fort Collins ,Co. The female just shed I'll post some pics latter this weekend.There great snakes ,2001 animals and there pushing 6'.

take care
Doug H

The pic Terry posted on the 19th is a Fort Collins bull.

locale bulls (both Denver and Fort Collins were included), I didn't realize that I hadn't really seen pics of any Denver locale bullsnakes. Sounds like your Fort Collins bulls are doing real well at pushing 6 feet. I had to hopefully get on the list for a pair of the Denver offspring. So Doug, did you make it over to the Tucson Pituophis Candy Store?

Terry Parks

>>Terry, nice, I have a pair of P.sayi from Fort Collins ,Co. The female just shed I'll post some pics latter this weekend.There great snakes ,2001 animals and there pushing 6'.
>>
>>take care
>>Doug H

What's this "hopefully" garbage? You got pick of the litter buddy!

I've been trying to get you to sell me the adults and you pull that crap and give it to Terry knowing he'll just cross it to a bairdiXcorn hybrid or something.

I see how it is!
KJ

Hey dum-dum! After I breed them and hook Terry and myself up with some nice babies, guess where the adults will go? Feel better?

only if you seal it with a big, wet, open-mouthed kiss, you big hunk.

How do you know I'm "big"? Have you been "peeping"?

breeder loan only to find out you get to keep the axanthic and all the babies. Now that's crap! I don't think Chris actually said "breeder loan". I put that in there thinking no yankee would send a snake down to Texas permanently. LOL. Honestly, I was hoping it was a breeder loan so Chris might get a couple offspring from your breeding. Besides, you keep talking like you're supposed to get all the adults. That puts you a couple years ahead of the rest of us. I think Chris should breed the Denver bulls and give you two male offspring. LOL. Why are you complaining anyway? You get the actual snake and I get pictures.

Terry Parks

>>I've been trying to get you to sell me the adults and you pull that crap and give it to Terry knowing he'll just cross it to a bairdiXcorn hybrid or something.
>>
>>I see how it is!
>>KJ

>>Honestly, I was hoping it was a breeder loan so Chris might get a couple offspring from your breeding.

I've told him I'd set him up if he decided he wanted some back later, so there! You? Ha-ha. Never! Byte me.

> Besides, you keep talking like you're supposed to get all the adults. That puts you a couple years ahead of the rest of us.

At my age? I can't wait for everything....lol. Chris knows I only want them to compliment something else I'm working on. If one falls through, I don't need these.....and hatchlings will work just as fine for me as adults. I just don't trust him to actually breed his snakes...lol.

> I think Chris should breed the Denver bulls and give you two male offspring. LOL.

Hey, I'm used to some FRIENDS sending me females with hemipenes, aren't I? No comment, huh.

Later!
KJ

everything at your age? You can't wait, but it's not because of your age, it's simply because you have to do it now. LOL. I have noticed that a lot of people want adults and subadults now. I've had a good number of people over this last breeding season who will inquire on adults or subadults before asking about any offsring. Here's a pic of my leucistic Texas ratsnake to remind me I'm a ratsnake person.

Terry Parks

I'm breathless!

Judy
-----
1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

That is nice! All of the leucistics I've seen at shows and shops have big bug eyes. That's the first one I've seen that I like.

I have a pair of these that were produced by Dwight Good. This coming season should be their first breeding year.

Terry Parks

>>I'm breathless!
>>
>>Judy
>>-----
>>1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

Can I have first dibs on a baby??? (If I can have another snake by then? )

Is luecistic a simple recessive trait? If it is, that means if you breed two showing the trait, then all their babies will to, right?

(I really do want one!)
Judy
-----
1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

>>Is luecistic a simple recessive trait? If it is, that means if you breed two showing the trait, then all their babies will to, right?

In Texas ratsnakes, yes. It is a simple recessive trait.

KJ

I'll let you know if I get some eggs. If I get some eggs and you are ready to get one, then I'll put your name on an egg. This will be their first breeding year. There seems to be a couple different leucistics out there. The one in the Texas ratsnake is a simple recessive gene. There is a leucistic so. pine snake, but I think one version is a combination of genes that give it a leucistic phenotype. Several others (like KJ) can explain it better and correct so I'll stop here.

Terry Parks

>>Can I have first dibs on a baby??? (If I can have another snake by then? )
>>
>>Is luecistic a simple recessive trait? If it is, that means if you breed two showing the trait, then all their babies will to, right?
>>
>>I really do want one!)
>>Judy
>>-----
>>1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

Thanks Terry! Keep me posted on the breeding/laying. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Judy
-----
1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

I prefer starting out with hatchlings.

Starting out with hatchlings lets you experience the changes they go through during the transition from hatchling to adult. It also gives you experience in caring for and working with the hatchling of a species you may breed later as an adult. I guess people are getting impatient and want to start out with an adult. Some start right off getting an adult proven pair and then don't know how to care for the offspring. There's positives and negatives either way, but I'm with you Chris, I like to start with hatchlings.

Terry Parks

>>I prefer starting out with hatchlings.

Plus you can raise them to inherit certain standards. Even my Texas bulls will have a strong Yankee influence, lol.

Looks like you are already seeing if it proves out. LOL.

Terry Parks

>>Plus you can raise them to inherit certain standards. Even my Texas bulls will have a strong Yankee influence, lol.

LOL!

Put down Texas and Texans as much as you want. That won't bother ME. Heck, I can't understand a state that fought for freedom, joined up with another union, and then fought for their freedom again 10 years later. Come on, Texas couldn't make up there mind then any more than I can now.

I ain't from Texas, so you boys didn't bother me there. Now, if you teach that LA pinesnake to be a Yankee (you know, rude, unfriendly, and literate), then I'll be pretty mad at you guys!

KJ

My La. Pine is already evil! She must have been possessed by some evil swamp witch. I'm having an exorcism done by a Yankee priest, lol.

>>My La. Pine is already evil! She must have been possessed by some evil swamp witch. I'm having an exorcism done by a Yankee priest, lol.

No way! You can take the girl out of Texas, but you can't take Texas out of the girl. I'm sure the same will hold true for the Bulls, too!

Judy (from Texas!)
-----
1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

They don't let any thing slip by without making a fuss. LOL

Terry Parks

>>No way! You can take the girl out of Texas, but you can't take Texas out of the girl. I'm sure the same will hold true for the Bulls, too!
>>
>>Judy (from Texas!)
>>-----
>>1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

Fuss? Huh-whu? Where?

Perhaps, lol.

Ahhhhh....you know I'm right.

If there's one lesson I've learned in life, it is to say this to women..."you're right, I'm wrong", lol. Besides, I'm afraid of you!

[head down, eyes averted, specifically NOT making eye contact] "I'm not worthy."

LOL!

.....start my own cult? I kinda like that whole "I'm not worthy" look!

High Mistress Judy

(I like the sound of that! *LOL*)

This is NO joking matter. She's evil...seriously! One day I'll tell y'all the whole true story about the bunny with a broken leg (at a petting zoo) that she castrate while working on the leg just BECAUSE SHE COULD.

A bunny! What else would it have to live for after being castrated. Here this bunny was thinking she was a nice lady who was repairing his leg, but really she was the Evil Incarnate who came to remove his favorite organ!

Now, tell me she isn'y evil. I sleep in fear of by favorite organs every night. This isn't right, but I'm too scared to say anything.
KJ

Is your collar studded, lol?

Poor little bunny.

Oh...that's sad about the rabbit with the broken leg too.

*LOL*

(Just kidding.....really I am!)

LOL! That's hilarious. HMJ for short?

Oh no, that's far too disrespectful! As your omniscient and nearly omnipotent High Mistress, I demand the utmost of respect!

By the way...would you like your collar to have studs? *LMAO*

Chris is gay. He'd whine that the collar was too tight or something. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Obviously I don't mind since we are still friends, but I have told him that the first time he makes a pass at me, our friendship is over. I don't put up with that time of sissy yankeeboy crap!

Not barking up that tree at all!! *LOL*

Just don't want there to be any misunderstandings!

Trutht me, I don't thwing that way.

That's just great, lmao! Why not throw in I'm a serial killer too? Then nobody will respond to my posts. By the way, I got the flowers you sent. Thanks.

It just keeps you posting. LOL. BTW - I thought the flowers were being sent to me??? I thought you wanted us to keep the thing on serial killer a secret. LOL.

Terry Parks

>>That's just great, lmao! Why not throw in I'm a serial killer too? Then nobody will respond to my posts. By the way, I got the flowers you sent. Thanks.

LOL! Troublemaker!!!

Perhaps we should discuss this in private, lol.

Where in texas we are in san antonio! Just a short trip to the good herping. Scott

*deep sigh* I was in San Antonio for four years...and didn't realize what a GREAT herping place it was until we moved away. (We were just beginning to learn about herps.) We (my daughter and myself) had some great times at the Snake Farm just north of the city Although I have some issues with how they keep their animals, it was a great way for total newbs like us to get up close and personal with them. Where in SA are you? I wonder if the guys who work at/own the Snake Farm ever come to these forums? Have you ever been there?

Judy
-----
1.0 red cape gopher (Caesar)

>>everything at your age?

I'm an old fogey - that's what I mean. At the end of every September I feel AT LEAST 1,000 years old. Man, I can't wait until after the 30th. Geez. I'm too old for this stuff....lol.

>> I have noticed that a lot of people want adults and subadults now.

That's typical. EVERYONE wants adults. >90% of the snakes I've ever breed were raised up by us (at least for 2 years since some of those were bought as small yearlings, I must admit). I like it that way. I have adults I bought from others (Hey, I'm not THAT stupid), but it's few compared to what I get as hatchliongs. I like hatchlings - you know more about them once they mack it to adults...lol.

bullsnakes that Chris sent me to drool over. LOL I hope I don't confuse this pic for 2 snakes Chris. LOL. I think the Denver locale ones seem to have a deep orange shade/tint to their groundcolor. Chris could probably say it better from the fact he has them inperson.

Terry Parks

You said it right.

Hey Terry!

In the words of Peter Boyle, the father on Everybody Loves Raymond...." holy crap!"

Very nice LOCALE bullsnake pic! Thanks for sharing!
Billy
-----
Genesis 1:1

Us older folks remember him from his awesome portrayal of the Frankenstein monster in the comedy "Young Frankenstein".

Oh yeah! I remember that. In fact, when I first started watching ELR, that was the first thing I thought. LOL!
-----
Genesis 1:1

>>Us older folks remember him from his awesome portrayal of the Frankenstein monster in the comedy "Young Frankenstein".

LMAO! That was the funniest part of that movie.

Nah, don't forget:

"What knockers!"
"Would you like to roll in the hay?"
"It's 'Eye-Gore'"

Dude, I may have to watch that movie tonight....lol

Abbey somebody.
Abbey who?
Abbey...Normal.

>>Abbey somebody.
>>Abbey who?
>>Abbey...Normal.

There are actually two bulls in that pic, both the same locale. One has alot of orange in the tail. You can't really see it in that pic.

I didn't see that other snout up towards the left of pic. I was too busy looking at the parrtern and colors on the body. Thanks for correcting me and sorry I got it wrong.

Terry Parks

>>There are actually two bulls in that pic, both the same locale. One has alot of orange in the tail. You can't really see it in that pic.