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do they all brown out to this degree or is this a low grade quality representation of the morph. she is next to a desert for comparison. as she is of breedable size, she is quite expensive.

i appreciate any opinions you can offer. thank you.

paul

You should check out NERD's website. He has great examples of enchi's as well as RDR. As for that Desert, thanks for posting an adult. You dont see many pictures of adults. I wonder why??...Thanks.

That is a hard one man. In my opinion it looks to dark to be an enchi. It is a low grade at best, but pics of its eyes, sides, and belly would help in the determination. At this time of year adult female enchis are like gold, so you would definitely expect to pay as such.
Will Wohlers

In THAT PIC I see NO Enchi....

need better pic.....really....

$$$$$$
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The grade of that Enchi is not the best...
But the babies could be as nice as any other Enchis.

My adult female is a very dark and low graded Enchi.
Still she produce nice offsprings =)

More photos of my adult Enchi female

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to those who say it is not an enchi - it is. look at the white speckling in the lower portions. plus it's from a reputable person who does not need to lie, and as far as looking into, never has. i'm simply asking if it's normal for an ADULT to brown out like this?

it is sounding like it's not the norm but not unheard of, and she's not the highest quality visual representation of the enchi morph.

so many morphs do brown out and we rarely see adults of some morphs posted, so i was hoping to get the opinions of folks who own adult enchis.

thanks!

I don't own adult enchis.

I only have a 1000 gram ones. She is getting darker and darker, but at the same time, the yellow is glowing more and more.

It's like a contrast.

Hope this help
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according to most ads online...an adult is 800 grams...LOL...

I had to....

an adult male is anything over 328 1/4 grams....

......good luck......

this year enchi lessers....mmmmmmmmmmmmtasty......
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you asked we told...
if it is an enchi....yea....if not...yea...

is it normal...we don't know...as I said ...the pic sucks....not the snake...tank you...

and yes I own enchi adult...baby, poor ones, good ones, pastel enchi...crossed enchi....I started a few years ago when they went down to 200 because NOONE wanted them at all and I got it at a show....just because.....LOL....now everyone is jumping on the wagon....

next thing you know everyone will be buying...amels and caramels.......how weird....

so....good luck...it's the camera...pics pull the brown out of snakes......
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sorry if i came off pissy, was not my intention, and nothing you said bothered me - in fact i always think you add some often needed realism and grit here on this forum.

that said - i never asked IF it was an enchi or not. i asked of the quality of this enchi. i am in no position to say who owns this snake as i'm trying to complete a sale - but you will just have to trust me when i say i, and you, and everyone in tis forum, would trust the word of this person.

you are right - the photo sucks and is not helping me complete a sale with this person.

enchi females......

......everyone wants one right now...the buigger the better....

a couple years ago...you had to give them away almost.....downnnnn went the price.....I got a male for $200 2 ? 3 years ago...now they are down to that.....but everyone wants females.....

IF IT IS an enchi and you got an idea on the litter.....
you want it.....

.....I just gave up a female (baby) that I really didn't want to today......but I like blasts alot...and I have a couple more yet (enchi)....

good luck.....!!!...I want caramel mojaves......LOL
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Hey Paul,

Great PHOTO! (had to say that in spite of the jyohe comments...lol)
Seriously though it is a decent enough photo.
I have no doubts that your snake is indeed an enchi.
As you know, morphs such as the enchi are quite variable.

I have a female that looks uglier than yours!!!
(How is that for boasting...lol)

Quite some time ago, I purchased a pair of c.h. snakes from Michael Cole.
They were sold to me as "Rust Reds".
(When I got them, they were neither rusty... nor red.)
When I first received them, I asked Michael Cole if he thought they could be Enchi Pastels......He was sure they were something different. I was satisfied with them. Although they did not appear red or even orange....I knew that they were indeed something genetic.
Michael Cole told me that as hatchlings they were more rusty and red....hence the name.
Supposedly they were thought to be siblings.
My female looks exactly like your female...only less speckling...a LOT less.
(I think she has one speckle!!!) lol.

While raising the snakes up I changed the name on the label a few times.
(The "Rust Red" name just did not seem to fit these snakes.)
As the snakes aged...they also began to look different from one another.
(both still look promising....just different.)
Eventually the name on the female's cage tag was titled "Enchi?"
She has been a slow growing snake....she hit the 500 gram wall and stopped feeding for quite some time. Finally she began to feed the way I expect a snake to eat.
She slugged out on her first attempt at breeding.
I hope to remove the "?" from her cage tag next season.
Although I have not yet proven her out....I am fairly certain she is indeed an Enchi.

At this point I do not think the snakes were siblings....nor do I think they are the same type of morph.
The male still has me scratching my head. He is definitely genetic. But I am not sure exactly WHAT he is?!?!?
I call him a Brimstone. I hope to create a super form of the Brimstone in the future.

Harlin

Harlin,
can you post pics of your Brimstone?

thanks

Pitoon

>>Hey Paul,
>>
>>Great PHOTO! (had to say that in spite of the jyohe comments...lol)
>>Seriously though it is a decent enough photo.
>>I have no doubts that your snake is indeed an enchi.
>>As you know, morphs such as the enchi are quite variable.
>>
>>I have a female that looks uglier than yours!!!
>>(How is that for boasting...lol)
>>
>>Quite some time ago, I purchased a pair of c.h. snakes from Michael Cole.
>>They were sold to me as "Rust Reds".
>>(When I got them, they were neither rusty... nor red.)
>>When I first received them, I asked Michael Cole if he thought they could be Enchi Pastels......He was sure they were something different. I was satisfied with them. Although they did not appear red or even orange....I knew that they were indeed something genetic.
>>Michael Cole told me that as hatchlings they were more rusty and red....hence the name.
>>Supposedly they were thought to be siblings.
>>My female looks exactly like your female...only less speckling...a LOT less.
>>(I think she has one speckle!!!) lol.
>>
>>While raising the snakes up I changed the name on the label a few times.
>>(The "Rust Red" name just did not seem to fit these snakes.)
>>As the snakes aged...they also began to look different from one another.
>>(both still look promising....just different.)
>>Eventually the name on the female's cage tag was titled "Enchi?"
>>She has been a slow growing snake....she hit the 500 gram wall and stopped feeding for quite some time. Finally she began to feed the way I expect a snake to eat.
>>She slugged out on her first attempt at breeding.
>>I hope to remove the "?" from her cage tag next season.
>>Although I have not yet proven her out....I am fairly certain she is indeed an Enchi.
>>
>>At this point I do not think the snakes were siblings....nor do I think they are the same type of morph.
>>The male still has me scratching my head. He is definitely genetic. But I am not sure exactly WHAT he is?!?!?
>>I call him a Brimstone. I hope to create a super form of the Brimstone in the future.
>>
>>Harlin
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yes, lets see that brimstone. thanks harlin.

LOL.

I hate to dangle the carrot like this....
But, Im gonna have to do a little dance that I like to call.... the "RalphD".

I think I am happy to sit on this one and wait to see what I can figure out about it ...before I go lifting my kilt for anyone to see.

Thanks guys.

Paul you are right about Jyohe...he is an original....and full of realism...or whatever it is called. lol.

Good luck on your sale by the way.

Harlin

>>LOL.
>>
>>I hate to dangle the carrot like this....
>>But, Im gonna have to do a little dance that I like to call.... the "RalphD".
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>>I think I am happy to sit on this one and wait to see what I can figure out about it ...before I go lifting my kilt for anyone to see.
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>>Thanks guys.
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>>Paul you are right about Jyohe...he is an original....and full of realism...or whatever it is called. lol.
>>
>>Good luck on your sale by the way.
>>
>>Harlin
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ignore the above post....

hope the project proves out for you...then hopefully we can get them pics!!!

Pitoon

>>LOL.
>>
>>I hate to dangle the carrot like this....
>>But, Im gonna have to do a little dance that I like to call.... the "RalphD".
>>
>>I think I am happy to sit on this one and wait to see what I can figure out about it ...before I go lifting my kilt for anyone to see.
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>>Thanks guys.
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>>Paul you are right about Jyohe...he is an original....and full of realism...or whatever it is called. lol.
>>
>>Good luck on your sale by the way.
>>
>>Harlin
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Hey Pitoon,

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

(you know I am a tease.)

Take care buddy.

Harlin

....dangle?.....

nice.....let's call it realism.....I just don't care who likes me.....my mommy still loves me.....

Brimstone???...........there are so many morphs...we really don't neeeed a new one to drool over....

(how's that....ignore it and it will come...like a squirrel to a peanut.....)...

.......it will be a few years for people to get enchi lessers and super enchi lesssers......time...too much time....

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........JY

Jeff,
You crack me up......
Travis
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Hey....At least you have mom...lol!

Yeah, you said it....TIME.
trouble is that time never seems to slow down?!?!?
Lot of neat things yet to be created. Keeps us all hooked.
Take care bro.

Harlin