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Pamela, about Mazuri, hydration and growth

Buzztail1 Sep 26, 2003 02:52 PM

Pamela,

1. I don’t post all that much in here as there are too many people who have been keeping tortoises for less time than we have who know so much more than we do. It is just not worth the hassle to participate just to get told that we don’t know what we are talking about. I am posting in an effort to provide you with some information which has worked for us.
2. We bought our first sulcata in 1997 and our second in 1998. We were told that all they needed was a large aquarium, rabbit pellet substrate, grocery greens and full spectrum UV lighting. Obviously not what is normally recommended these days.
3. After several years of little to no growth, we sought out some breeders and searched the internet for more information. Three things remained pretty constant throughout all the recommendations – Sunshine, Graze and Mazuri.
4. You may remember when I posted about building our outdoor enclosure. Our 3 and 4 year-old sulcatas were still “palm-sized but had good weight and were still healthy. We keep them outside at all temperatures above 60F and provide them plenty of shady areas to escape direct sun should they so desire. We supplement their grazing with Mazuri, which has been soaked in water, every other day. Soaking the Mazuri ensures that they are getting hydrated and they gobble it up too fast for ants to be much of a problem. It certainly is never there long enough for mold to grow. We offer “debacked” cuttlebone all the time. We have seen them drink directly from terra cotta plant saucers (through several fillings on occasion). They graze daily on normal Georgia yard grass and get occasional treats of other plants and once in a while – various grocery greens. There are roses, figs, hibiscus and several other plants in their enclosure. When they feel like it, they bulldoze down a branch of the hibiscus and eat all the leaves and then let it spring back up to grow some more. Everything else we pick the leaves and/or flowers to give them.
5. Our sulcatas are no longer palm-sized. They are not overly pyramided. They are alert and active. I am attaching a picture that will graphically show the growth over the past few years. As you can see, The Boss can no longer pick them both up at the same time for photos. Next year, they (together) will be too much for me.
6. If your sulcata has MBD, you must have caught it very early. I would even recommend getting a second opinion (if possible). It looks healthy to me but then I have never claimed to be an expert. Just trying to share what has worked for us.
7. My email is Buzztail1(at)hotmail(dot)com if you have any questions that I might be able to help with.

Karl H. Betz & The Boss

Replies (13)

EJ Sep 26, 2003 03:04 PM

If you consider that 'not overly pyramided'... I'd hate to see what you call pyramided.
Ed

EJ Sep 27, 2003 11:51 AM

Yea, I guess I can see how this post can be seen as negative post if you read it just the right/wrong way.
Sorry to those I offended.
Ed

zhiv9 Sep 26, 2003 05:59 PM

np
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Adam
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Pamela Sep 26, 2003 07:03 PM

Your sulcatas look WONDERFUL!
You've shared some great advice with me in the past and I really have benefited from and appreciate it.

Where are you getting your mazuri? I'm having a hard time finding it and ordered a little through turtlecafe just to see if Nigel will eat it. Now that I see that he WILL eat it, I'd like to purchase more.

Feel free to email me off forum if you prefer at didge@tds.net

Thanks!
Pamela

AnonEMouse Sep 26, 2003 07:34 PM

Your sulcatas look WONDERFUL!
You've shared some great advice with me in the past and I really have benefited from and appreciate it.

Thanks for the kind words.

Where are you getting your mazuri? I'm having a hard time finding it and ordered a little through turtlecafe just to see if Nigel will eat it. Now that I see that he WILL eat it, I'd like to purchase more.

Mazuri really isn't easy to find here in SE GA. There are feed stores in central Jacksonville that you can get to order it in for you. We buy up several bags at whatever shows we go to (Daytona & Columbia). There is one coming up in Tampa that will have a Mazuri dealer at it. A guy named Smelt who runs Smelt Feeds sells it.

Ace Hardware in Kingsland (on 40) orders in Mazuri Rodent Food for a mouse and rat breeder in the county somewhere. I haven't asked them but they might oreder Mazuri tortoise food for you if you ask.

Karl

Odyssey Sep 26, 2003 10:19 PM

I’m really annoyed that they very thing that you complained about in your first paragraph—being told by some pompous ass that you don’t know what you’re talking about—happened again, in the very first post after yours, by “EJ.”

Don’t let it get you down.

Your post was very detailed and informative and had hard documentation (the photos) to back up what you said.

And if Ed (or anyone else) thinks that the pyramidding in your tortoises is anything more than slight, he should look at this picture to see what really bad pyramidding looks like!
 

Jeannie Sep 26, 2003 10:55 PM

np
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Jeannie

0.1 Baja de L.A. Rosy Boa (Bella)
0.1 Okeetee Corn Snake (Bess)
1.1 Rubber Boas (Isaiah & Esther)
0.0.1 Hermann's Tortoise (Moxie)
1.0 Leopard Gecko (George)
2.0 adopted DSH Cats (Amos & Silas)
1.0 rescued English Springer Spaniel (Jimmy)
and...
2.0 Kids w/ 0.0.1 California King Snake (Rex), 0.1 Leopard Gecko (Geico), 1.0 Mexican Rosy Boa (Lucas)
1.0 Husband (no pets, just us, lol)

EJ Sep 27, 2003 12:01 AM

I could lash out in anger...
I could come back with a smart ass quip...
I think I'll just assume the guy misunderstood my comment to my well respected friend Karl.
Cheers.
Ed

brad wilson Sep 27, 2003 06:49 AM

It read like an insult, Ed.

But I assumed you weren't trying to insult the guy. Sometimes intent gets lost.

EJ Sep 27, 2003 09:44 AM

The problem is that you interpreted it as an insult.
I think it read as it should have read knowing that the recipient was familiar with my sarcastic sense of humor.
Ed

brad wilson Sep 27, 2003 10:19 AM

You said:

I think it read as it should have read knowing that the recipient was familiar with my sarcastic sense of humor.

That's OK. But don't be surprised when someone else on a PUBLIC FORUM who is not familiar with your style thinks you are being a wiseguy. I thought you weren't *trying* to insult the guy.

EJ Sep 27, 2003 10:45 AM

I don't know why this is important to you but the only other post was by another person who obviously understood the intent.
I consider my posts and/or presentations a success if 50% are for and 50% are against. It's the against that are the most helpful and the people I learn from the most.
You might note that I was not insulted by your response in the least. You obviously misunderstood and I realize that.
Now, I could have interpreted your response as you referring to me as the 'pompous ass' but considering this is one of the friendlier lists, I knew very well that could not have been the case.
Ed

brad wilson Sep 27, 2003 11:21 AM

Whatever.

Please note that I never referred to anyone as a pompous ass.
That was someone else's post.

Never insulted you or anyone.

If I've missed something, please find the post where I called people names.

end of discussion.

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