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Help Identify this morph

karmakritters Nov 26, 2010 08:28 PM


Ok, Heres the deal. This girl and two others just like her hatched out from my hypo to hypo breeding. The strange thing is this was a third generation adult pair of hypos and the line has never thrown anything other than hypos. It is hard to see in the picture but the eyes almost have a blue tint to them.
Thanks for the help.

Replies (9)

mrkent Nov 26, 2010 09:27 PM

Looks like a ghost or a lavender. Maybe your hypos are het for anery. That would make ghosts possible.
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karmakritters Nov 26, 2010 09:33 PM

Ghost was the first thing I thought too. I can trace the bloodline back to three generations with no anerytheristic genes ever showing. I have compared her to other ghosts also and this one is far more pink colored. She almosts looks like she got doubled up on the hypo gene?
Thanks Sam

karmakritters Nov 26, 2010 09:51 PM

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/karmakritters/100_4165.jpg

DMong Nov 27, 2010 10:36 AM

It could very well even be a hypo lavender, as they can be extremely variable. They can sometimes start out more lavenderish, or pink, or even a peachy/orange. This hypo lavender here strongly resembles the one you have, and the eyes also look just like that in hypo lavenders. But like Shiari already mentioned, it can take a while for them to develop their coloration.

It's virtually impossible to say exactly what it is without knowing the genetics from it's parent origin, because there are a good number of morphs that look very similar, but the lavender gene is fairly common, and can definitely look similar to yours as a hatchling.

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Shiari Nov 27, 2010 01:39 AM

When did they hatch? Some hypos can take a few months for all their color to come in. Heck, I have a super vibrant hypo that started out looking like an amel! I've also seen pictures of what looked like a strange diffused ghost that eventually turned out to be 'just' a hypo blood. That animal took quite a while to show the true colors.

a153fish Nov 27, 2010 12:20 PM

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>> Ok, Heres the deal. This girl and two others just like her hatched out from my hypo to hypo breeding. The strange thing is this was a third generation adult pair of hypos and the line has never thrown anything other than hypos. It is hard to see in the picture but the eyes almost have a blue tint to them.
>>Thanks for the help.

Not sure what it is, but I just wanted to say one thing. if the original pair had one parent who was het for something like let's say lavender, then you might have many babies before the genes line up. I mean if you have been breeding siblings together? You said third generation, what did you mean by that? Have you kept siblings and then bred the siblings together for 3 generations?
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karmakritters Nov 27, 2010 12:44 PM

I got the pair of adults from a good friend of mine. He started off with a male hypo and bred him to a wildcaught female. He has line bred them now for atleast three generations with nothing unusual until this year. Maybe the male was also het for lavender? I am positive this is not a ghost though as I have hatched out lots of them.
I guess I will just keep raising them up and see how they color up in the future.
Thanks Sam

a153fish Nov 27, 2010 02:44 PM

>>I got the pair of adults from a good friend of mine. He started off with a male hypo and bred him to a wildcaught female. He has line bred them now for atleast three generations with nothing unusual until this year. Maybe the male was also het for lavender? I am positive this is not a ghost though as I have hatched out lots of them.
>> I guess I will just keep raising them up and see how they color up in the future.
>>Thanks Sam

I would definately hang on to those since it's all just guess work right now. Who knows what you may have stumbled across? Only further test breeding will prove it out though. Good luck with those!
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SlytherLyn Nov 28, 2010 06:48 AM

This is part of what makes Corns so fun to work with. With so many genes out there you just never know what one might be het for. This year I bred two pairs. I found out my Anery Lavender female was het Albino, didn't know she was het for anything. And I found out that both of my normals are het Hypo. I knew they were het for 4 other traits but the little Hypo baby hatching out was a total surprise.

Your baby is adorable, definite keeper. Once he/she grows up and gets full color in it might be easier to determine what's going on with him and pick a suitable mate to prove him out for sure. I hope you'll post more pics as he grows up. I'm not up on my morphs enough to offer any suggestions beyond what the more experienced people have already offered.

I sold some snakes to a pet store and one of the ones they sold was an Albino 100% het Lavender, Charcoal, Anery, and 50% poss het Diffused. I noticed they did not take the tag off of the tub to give to the person who bought it that showed all of the genetics. Probably bought it as a pet with no plans to breed so didn't care what it was het for. But who knows where that snake will end up during it's life. I can only hope if someone does get it and breed it someday that they get a pleasant surprise if they pick the right mate for it.

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