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My name is Jonathan Bennett. I have recently purchased a snake that was labeled as a creamsicle corn snake. I am not sure that is what he really is. I took him to some snake hobbiest that I trust. They to were unsure of what he really is but thought he might be a creamsicle but just looks different because he is stripped, or might be a jungle corn. He kind of has the head pattern you would find on a corn but the shape seems to be off and the belly pattern is solid rather than what you would normally see on most corns. So according to the pictures do you think he is a corn, a king or a hybrid? Also depending on what you think he is, do you think he would be something that could be used in a breeding program? I am working on getting a few corns and hopefully breeding them on a small scale. But I was told that the hybrid males, if that's what he is, are not fertile. I also had him probed yesterday and am for sure he's a male. Thanks for everyones time and opinions of those who reply.

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hard to tell from those pictures...does it look like these
these are stripe creamsicles

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Jimmy Johnson
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Yes and no I guess is my answer to that. Mine has more of a yellow body with white stripes. The lines between the two colors have kind of an orange color to it and some of the scales are kind of tipped with some orange. Also the break between the white belly and the body color is orange. But the color for the most part is yellow.

Here is a little different pic. I'm dont know if it will help you any more in helping me figure out what it is.

>>Here is a little different pic. I'm dont know if it will help you any more in helping me figure out what it is.
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That looks more like a Cal King. I can't tell if it is a Jungle Corn, (Cal King X Corn)?
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J Sierra

>>>>Here is a little different pic. I'm dont know if it will help you any more in helping me figure out what it is.
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>>That looks more like a Cal King. I can't tell if it is a Jungle Corn, (Cal King X Corn)?
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yeah that pic looks like albino cal king
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
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it must be a Jungle. Cal kings do not have orange.

I know a breeder with a neat collection of Jungle kings. The variability is amazing. Most have at least a hint of orange somewhere. Amel Cals have none. That head looks like corn/king to me. Those pics are most difficult to properly identify it. But the head, and the fact that the guy said orange: Jungle.
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Mark

np
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Scott
"The most powerful person never has to use it"

It's not a creamsicle corn. It's either an albino Cal King or an Albino Cal King X Corn Snake. If you really want to know what an animal is, you should buy it from a reputable breeder - not someone who misrepresents what they sell.

Tim

If it does happen to be a jungle, have any of you had any experience with this cross? Being a hybrid will it be sterile?

>>If it does happen to be a jungle, have any of you had any experience with this cross? Being a hybrid will it be sterile?

no they are not sterile...they can reproduce...
a few more pictures might help to determine/guess as to king or jungle...clearer like the last shot...full body, head and belly...if possible
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Few people are interested in Jungles. I would sell it and get something you can be sure of it's genetics. There are a few people who like hybrids, but there's not a big market. You may have trouble getting rid of the babies. Just my opinion. I have some Thayeri Ruthven babies that I really like, but I'll be lucky to sell any.
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J Sierra

Some of you suggested I post a few more pictures so I have taken a few more that will hopefully help.

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looks like albino jungle....the head says corn in the mix....
like mentioned earlier a jungle is a corn/California king cross...In this case it is albino
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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well I have been looking at pictures online and I found one that is a good image. My snake looks just like it. The picture is of an Albino Striped Jungle Corn. (it is a hybrid of a california king snake and a corn)

I agree.

That hybrid being sterile myth is still being spread around? Amazing. This hobby has proven over and over again that the myth is a myth. That snake you have can reproduce like any other snake.

What others said is likely true - you would be better off breeding corns to corns or kings to kings from a trading or selling aspect. But for a pet, your snake there is a nice one. That cross makes for some stunning adults. The babies often do not look like much but the adults are very pretty.
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Mark

Lampropeltis have smooth scales, an undivided anal scale, and the body cross section shape is round/cylindrical.

Pantherophis have keeled scales, a divided anal scale, and a body cross section that's flattened ventrally...shaped like "loaf of bread"

That brings up an interesting point - I wonder if some Jungles have single anal plates and perhaps some Jungles have divided, etc?
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Mark

concerning Lampropeltis x Pantherophis crosses; anal plates can be single, divided, and intermediate.

From where I am, that snake looks like it has gopher snake in it.
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Jack Jeansonne

I am not sure that I see gopher snakes in this one. What I have researched, everything points to the albino jungle.
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