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I received this Corn through KS Classifieds today. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what morphs you think he could be. Visual morphs only, I'm not asking what he could be het for.

He is supposed to be a combo of 3 Visual Morphs.

I am posting this because I don't believe he is what he's supposed to be. After I get some opinions I will post again with photos from the add and say what he was listed to be. I just don't want to taint your guesses by saying it up front.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

It's a snow corn. Although it's possible that it may also be homozygous for hypo, there's no way of telling that simply by lookig at the snake - that trait would need to be proven out via breeding trials.

Tim

Third Eye

>>I received this Corn through KS Classifieds today. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what morphs you think he could be. Visual morphs only, I'm not asking what he could be het for.
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>>He is supposed to be a combo of 3 Visual Morphs.
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>>I am posting this because I don't believe he is what he's supposed to be. After I get some opinions I will post again with photos from the add and say what he was listed to be. I just don't want to taint your guesses by saying it up front.
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well, snow so amel and anery... not caramel because that would be butter...don't think it's a butter could be wrong....
I won't mention a possible het due to the yellow..so for me visually about the only possibility I would add would be hypo.

so hypo snow
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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The three traits are:
1. Anery
2. Amel
3. BS (j/k)

Seriously, if there is a third trait, it sure doesn't add anything visually to the snake.
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Mark

Looks like a snow corn to me but I don't recall seeing that much yellow on the underside of one. Jeff

I was gonna say it looks exactly like my snow but i didn't wanna look stupid in front of all the experts lol.

Here is a comparison of the snake I received (top photo) compared to the photos from the Classified add (bottom two photos). He was advertised as an Opal Motley. I'm just sick to my stomach over it. I really needed an Opal Motley. Have no use for a Snow. I realized once I saw his belly he was not a Motley. I'll never buy a Motley online again w/out seeing a belly shot. Live and Learn. And once I saw his color I didn't think it was likely he was an Opal either. The question now is, is there any chance the snake I received is the same snake pictured in the add?

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

It's probably just me but that does not look like the same snake! Jeff

I agree with Jeff. That's not the same snake that was in the ad. The pink spots on the neck of the snake in the bottom two photos does not match the snake you have. If you paid with Paypal, I'd dispute the transaction and try to get your money back. Everyday snows are practically worthless.

Tim

Here is an email I received from him after I paid for the snake but before he shipped it.

"i just want to discuss the opal corn w/ you before i shipped him. i was looking at the pic when i pulled him today and he just doesn't look exactly like his pic. the flash seems to have washed out the color in the pic and made him look almost all white w/ no pattern. i didn't notice it when i took the picture, and haven't looked at the two side by side until today. i just want you to be happy when you open the box..... not think "this doesn't look quite the same"

Part of my reply to him:

"I'm sure I'll be very happy with the Opal Motley. I have a female Opal, female Lavender Motley, and female Albino Motley. As long as he's guaranteed to be an Opal Motley then I'll be thrilled with him and am sure he's beautiful. "

Part of his reply back:

"i, myself, have never bred corns. i buy and sell hundreds per year and think they are beautiful snakes. i did not produce this guy but bought him from a breeder in fl at the jacksonville expo. i am not nearly as up to date on corn genetics as i am on ball and boa morphs. but i certainly stand behind every thing that i sell. if he does not produce what he is genetically supposed to, i will always gladly replace him for you."

All of this was prior to shipping. So I did have warning he would not look like his pictures, but from what he said, it was the same snake, which I'm not so sure of. The Corn was only $99 and he said he'd stand behind the genetics so I felt it was worth the chance to buy him even knowing he wouldn't look exactly like the pictures.

I'm wondering if he accidentally switched the Opal Motley with a Snow at some point in time after the photos were taken. If that's the case, the Opal Motley might still be there, just in the wrong bin.

After you guys confirmed my fear that my "Opal Motley" was in fact a "Snow", I emailed him back to let him know. Waiting for him to email me back with my options.

I went and picked him up and handled him for a while. He sure is a sweet snake. Even though he's not what I wanted, I'm already rather fond of him. I looked at the current KS Classified adds for 08 Snow Corns and looks like the going rate is $75. I might ask if he'll consider refunding the $24 difference between that and what I paid for him as opposed to shipping him back to get a refund if he is unable to locate a real "Opal Motley" in his group of Corns.

I actually bought two snakes from him. Thankfully the other snake I bought from him matched his photo exactly and is cute as a button... His name is Arthur. I just hope he's as good an eater as his add said.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

Very nice tricolor Hognose Lyn!

I must agree with the others, that is not the same snake at all.

I don't know if he was playing "stupid", or was trying to pull the ol' "switcharoo", but it isn't what you bought it as. I'm really sorry that happened, but I would demand some sort of restitution on the transaction to make things right....nicely of course at first.

I really hope the seller takes care of you on this!

Let us know how things progress....

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Lyn, I would not keep a corn you dont need and I would demand a full refund or the actual snake you purchased sent to you prior to you sending the snow corn back. I would also expect the seller to cover shipping costs of the actual corn to you especially if you pay shipping to return the snow. Better yet, you keep the snow and get the opal motley. Just my two cents, but I would certainly be upset with the situation. Hopefully the seller will respond amicably.

an ad on the classifieds soon stating "Opal Motley adult male.." from SlitherLyn

Just kidding!!! lol. I hope the dealer made an honest mistake rather than a purposeful swindle. It can't be worth it to anyone selling snakes to pull off something like that. That is why I bet he made an error.
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Mark

>>Here is a comparison of the snake I received (top photo) compared to the photos from the Classified add (bottom two photos). He was advertised as an Opal Motley. I'm just sick to my stomach over it. I really needed an Opal Motley. Have no use for a Snow. I realized once I saw his belly he was not a Motley. I'll never buy a Motley online again w/out seeing a belly shot. Live and Learn. And once I saw his color I didn't think it was likely he was an Opal either. The question now is, is there any chance the snake I received is the same snake pictured in the add?
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>>photos can definitely make a snake look entirely different but like Tim mentioned, the spots are not the same..that is not the same snake. Obviously not motley, pretty obvious not opal. It will be interesting to see how he responds. If he is basically a broker he may have simply picked up the wrong snake...but he really should send you the snake you purchased, at absolutely no cost to you, or refund the money and should let you keep the snow for the trouble.
I sent a PAIR of bairds rat snakes out to a customer and it turned out that I had actually sent him two females. I sent him a male at my cost and told him to keep the female...actually I sent two males...one for each female but to make things right he should at the very least send the right snake or refund your money, fully...and still let you keep the snow.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I received a very nice email from him. He has 1100 snakes and 3 employees. Not all of those are corns, he deals mostly with pythons and boas I think.

I do not get the impression at all from him that he was trying to pull a fast one. I believe it was an honest mistake. He seems like a good guy. He is going to go look through the corns and see if he can find one that better matches the photos from the add. I told him look for a very light pinkish snake with peachy spots on the head and back and a totally patternless belly, no checks.

I sent him a belly photo of the corn I got and a belly photo of a Motley for comparison as he's already admitted he's not really a corn guy.

Keep your fingers crossed the Opal Motley from the add is still there and he can find him. I'm trying hard not to get my hopes up too high. Sounds like a large operation so he probably got sold to someone already as something else and they didn't say anything if they realized they got something better than what they ordered...

If he does find one he thinks might be it I'll ask for a good belly photo

I will let you guys know what happens. Thanks so much for looking at my photos and giving me your opinions and advice.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

The fact he is a "boa guy" and not a "corn guy" is no excuse for a "business guy" who makes a living dealing with reptiles to make such a blatant mistake. If you dont know what animals you are dealing with and its your profession to know, then dont deal with those animals period. Stick with what you know and leave the other species to those that do know IMO!!!! It sounds to me like the guy has no idea of what he is dealing with in the corn arena. With so many morphs that look so similar, I would be leary that the snake the looks like an opal motley is indeed an opal motley based on phenotype alone. You may wind up with an "opal motley" looking corn that turns out otherwise!!! I am not trying to be Debbie Downer here, just stating my opinion on the matter. It would be much better to deal with a reputable breeder who can guarantee the phenotype you are buying is also the genotype you are buying. If this dealer cannot truly verify the lineage, what chances do you really have unless you can breed it true?

He has not replied to my last 2 emails. Haven't heard from him since Wednesday. Hopefully I hear back soon as I'm anxious for a resolution. I do agree with you if he's selling corns he should have a working knowledge of morphs. If I can get the tricolor to eat then at least it will not have been a total bum deal. If the tricolor won't eat for me and he can't locate an actual Opal Motley then I will ask him to send me shipping labels so I can return both snakes for full refund.
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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

>>He has not replied to my last 2 emails. Haven't heard from him since Wednesday. Hopefully I hear back soon as I'm anxious for a resolution. I do agree with you if he's selling corns he should have a working knowledge of morphs. If I can get the tricolor to eat then at least it will not have been a total bum deal. If the tricolor won't eat for me and he can't locate an actual Opal Motley then I will ask him to send me shipping labels so I can return both snakes for full refund.

Well, I really hope it works out for you! One thing you should know is I don't know anyone that will pay to have the animals shipped back to them. There may be some, but I don't know any. That is the bad part when shipping is so expensive.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>>>He has not replied to my last 2 emails. Haven't heard from him since Wednesday. Hopefully I hear back soon as I'm anxious for a resolution. I do agree with you if he's selling corns he should have a working knowledge of morphs. If I can get the tricolor to eat then at least it will not have been a total bum deal. If the tricolor won't eat for me and he can't locate an actual Opal Motley then I will ask him to send me shipping labels so I can return both snakes for full refund.
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>>Well, I really hope it works out for you! One thing you should know is I don't know anyone that will pay to have the animals shipped back to them. There may be some, but I don't know any. That is the bad part when shipping is so expensive.
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

I still believe he should make it right by sending you the right snake and a replacement snake for the non-eater, at his cost...or full refund for both. You should be allowed to keep the snow and the non-feeder tricolor for your troubles. You shouldn't have to send them back...his mistake not yours... if for some reason he wants to practice poor customer service and ask for them back, he better pay shipping, and you should NOT ship them back without the issues with the other two snakes being resolved.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I don't know what my options are as he's stopped communicating now.

I agree it probably would not be worth it for him to spend the money to get the snake back as the corn was $99 and I paid $89.98 shipping. If it falls to me to pay for return shipping then I couldn't anyways because I don't have a fedex acct and it wouldn't make sense to pay $89.98 to get a $99 refund.

The snow corn is really nice. I wish he worked into my breeding plans. Unfortunately he doesn't so I'd just brumate him then try to sell him at the next show I set up for (and no worries, I would not label him as an Opal Motley). I couldn't get $99 for him and I'd have to feed him for a while before selling him, so I'd be stuck taking a loss unless the seller is willing to give me some kind of refund for not sending me the kind of snake he had advertised.

I am possibly getting a Snow Motley male in a partial trade that will work with my Albino Motley female this coming spring. Still working out the details. Won't help with my Lavender Motley but she won't be breeding size until 2012 so I have time to work that out.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

He emailed today. He said he will find me a real Opal Motley male and ship it to me. He does not want the Snow back. I'll try to find him a good home. He's a sweet snake, just doesn't fit into my breeding plans. I'm choosing to remain optimistic at this point that I will eventually get an Opal Motley and that the little baby Tricolor will start eating soon. Let a girl dream...

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

>>He emailed today. He said he will find me a real Opal Motley male and ship it to me. He does not want the Snow back. I'll try to find him a good home. He's a sweet snake, just doesn't fit into my breeding plans. I'm choosing to remain optimistic at this point that I will eventually get an Opal Motley and that the little baby Tricolor will start eating soon. Let a girl dream...
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That's the way it should be, hopefully he will come through.. but what about the tricolor?
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Was the tricolored hog sold as a guaranteed feeder? I have heard they can be difficult and are usually lizard feeders when young?? If he gave no guarantee the tricolored was feeding and you paid a good "non-feeder" price, then you may have gotten what you paid for. However, if you paid a good premium price for a "guaranteed feeder" then thats another story.

Once again, not trying to be Debbie Downer, but his response to you keeping the snakes he already sent, and then "sending you an opal motley when he finds one" sounds like a blowoff to me. He is ahead of the game and got money for snakes obviously not worth what you paid for them. What if he doesnt find the opal mot? What if he sold the opal mot already? He appears to NOT want to refund money which at this point might be what you should be pushing for him to do IMO. At least partial refund for the cost difference between the snow and opal motley. That way you at least got what you paid for and can end a deal with a seemingly dishonest vendor as evenly as possible. You are now at his mercy with his "I will send you one when I find it" statement which I seriously doubt will happen. He should be able to find it immediately IMO and make you a happy customer by next week if he is serious about fixing the situation. I would give him a DEFINITE amount of time to resolve the situation with the replacement animal. If he cant, then I would demand he send you the difference in cost in CASH REFUND and at least you would be even, even with a snake you dont need. You could at least sell the snow and get your money back and be even again.

At this poin all I can say is Good Luck, but dont hold your breath!!

I posted a reply but it didn't show up. If it shows up later then sorry for double posting the reply...

Tricolor was sold as a good f/t pink eater. Hoping I can get him eating for me soon. He is still settling in so I'm not in panic mode, just anxious.

I'm at this point optimistic that the seller will find and send me a corn that works into my breeding plans.

He's already looked and could not find it in the collection he has. So now he's looking to buy one for me. I feel he's an honest guy who just made a mistake and is trying to make things right. I did find a nice Hypo Lavender Motley in the classifieds that would not be as good as an Opal Motley but could still be worked into my breeding group. I sent him a link to that add.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

I am going to try to do everything I can to get the tricolor eating. Tried f/t whole pinks and f/t pink heads with no luck. Tonight will try tuna scented f/t pink. Hoping he hasn't eaten yet simply because he hasn't fully settled in yet. I wouldn't be worried normally about a new snake not eating this soon except that he's so very very small he could go downhill real fast with only a few weeks not eating. This is a great learning opportunity for me to figure out how to get a baby tricolor to eat. If I want to breed them someday, it will help if I have experience getting a fussy one eating. I will be bouncing off the walls the first time this little bugger eats for me.

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

Lyn,.....

I would "brain" a F/T pink and see if that is accepted, then go to a lizard scented pink in another day or two. I would put the snake in with these all by itself with no substrate so the offering cannot get buried in a very small deli cup, and put it in a TOTALLY dark place undisturbed. If it eats neither of these offerings, I would be inclined to think he was lying about the snake ever eating in his care too.

Here is a link that has some very useful info on them for you as well.

Best of luck with both the corn and the tricolor!

LINK

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I would cut the dead lizard open and very liberally get the guts all over the pinkie too, or at least crush the lizard's tail up good in your fingers then generously rub it well all over the pink. Sometimes it takes more than just some light surface rubbing to scent things well enough to be accepted by hatchlings. I have had some young corns like that in the past. If I didn't smear COPIOUS amounts of lizard guts all over the pink, it wouldn't quite trigger a feeding response, then when I took it back and REALLY smeared it good and reintroduced it....BAM!...then they would take it right away..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I tried tuna scenting, no luck, tried just offering the head, no luck, I've never had luck getting a fussy snake to eat one just because it was brained but I don't have a problem trying that. He lives in a 9 inch round deli that is set inside a 32 qt bin in my boaphile rack for heat. So he's enclosed dark on 3 sides. I only ever have the light on when I'm in there. Otherwise no light other than what comes in the one window, and being winter that's not much light. It's dark by 5pm. I have been putting the pink in at night before I go to bed then not turning the light on till morning so he's in pitch black all night. I have paper towel substrate right now, and slightly damp because he's all wrinkly like he needs to shed but is dehydrated.

I talked to a breeder who said they weigh 4 grams when hatched, her 2 month olds are 8 grams. She said a 3 month old good eater (what he's supposed to be) should be 10-12 grams. The snake I got is 4 grams. So hatchling weight. I emailed the seller with this information. I do not have a lizard or know what kind of lizard to get or how to kill it. That sounds horrible. Do you buy these lizards already dead from somewhere? This is seriously turning me off from breeding Tricolors I must say. I might be better off staying with the Corns and Balls... I'm hoping the added humidity will help him shed then he'll eat. He is active and alert. I have a tiny pinkie head and half of the remaining body in with him now just in case he gets hungry. This whole thing has just been a disaster. I wish so bad I could go back in time and not have bought either of them

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Slytherin Serpents

Have you been hugged by your snake today?

Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hogs
1.1 Tri Color (Arthur & Molly)

I think most, if not all on this forum have experienced bad deals at one point or another. Unfortunately, it occurs in all business transactions, but seems more likely in the herp industry for some reason. Keep contacting the seller and hopefully he will make it right. As far as lizard scenting, maybe see if a local pet shop has some lizard shed from their bearded dragons, iquanas, or leopard geckos? That may help. I just uncovered about half a dozen anoles and geckos this weekend when I took down some old shutters from the front of my house!!! Have you tried live pinks as well? Sometimes they just dont like the smell of f/t. Also, try snake scenting. I hear it works for other lizard feeders and may work for you. Maybe rub the pink on some baby snake poop, or shed skin.