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just thought i'd mention.....

mbrawley Dec 06, 2010 07:51 PM

I previously posted the following as a reply in the "Mosaic" thread below, but thought it was worth posting again up here so more of you would likely see it.

»You know, although I thoroughly enjoy the frequent, lively debates that take place on this forum, I must say that I LOVE the fact that someone can ask a question regarding the "origin" of any given animal, and the contributors in this forum can actually pinpoint the animal's origin to the exact "one sunny day, when two guys were out collecting". I LOVE THAT!

Simply Impressive. I'd say this forum is more of a "Think tank" of some really great minds...my compliments to all of you. Never a dull moment and always very informative....and entertaining.

Btw: what are some of the day jobs of everyone here? (ie. Fulltime reptile breeders and herpers, students, electicians, teachers, business owners, white-collar, blue-collar, what?). Just curious.

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Jlassiter Dec 06, 2010 08:39 PM

>>Btw: what are some of the day jobs of everyone here? (ie. Fulltime reptile breeders and herpers, students, electicians, teachers, business owners, white-collar, blue-collar, what?). Just curious.

Although I cannot tell you the origin of most Southeastern and/or Eastern getula I can let you know where all my Mexican and Montane kings came from.......

And....I am an Oil Industry Sr. Projects Scheduler.....Was Blue Collar (Pipefitter by trade) now I am a desk jockey (White Collar)....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Bigtattoo Dec 07, 2010 04:04 AM

Simply Impressive. I'd say this forum is more of a "Think tank" of some really great minds...my compliments to all of you. Never a dull moment and always very informative....and entertaining.

I have to agree there is a pool of incredible knowledge here and way out of my league. Origins, IDing, genetics just blows me away but thanks to them I learn more all the time and am grateful they are here and willing to share.

Btw: what are some of the day jobs of everyone here? (ie. Fulltime reptile breeders and herpers, students, electicians, teachers, business owners, white-collar, blue-collar, what?). Just curious.

My professional background is varied. Primarily a master carpenter. Spent some of my early years as a "horticulturalist" in N. Cali.

While probating an estate in Mexico I supported my family as a metalsmith and gemcutter. Back to the states and carpentry which led to several years in the print industry from pre-press through post press. If we had a machine I just had to learn how to run it and mostly repair them, a bit of a machine head.

Back to carpentry as a home builder/cabinet and furniture maker.
Then into the retail sector as a partner in a bicycle shop/home brew shop. Took over my brother's pet shop with a focus on herps and fish.

Currently mechanic/welder for a block and stone mason contractor.

You pose the question but didn't answer it yourself.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
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mbrawley Dec 07, 2010 07:29 PM

LOL! Ok, you're right. But first, thanks for your reply - very interesting. As for me, my interest (as with everyone else here, I'm sure) started when I was about 5 or 6 years of age, living in northern Cali. It began with seeing an older kid with a couple of gopher snakes he brought to school to "show and tell". Haha! You all remember "show and tell", right? Anyway, I must have been in the kindergarten or 1st grade. From there, I began checking out books from the local library on snakes and lizards. NO INTERNET back then! LOL! I started spending my summers looking for, and catching them as a kid. At the age of 12 or 13 I began loitering around a local pet store until the manager finally put me to work bagging bird food, after school for store credit. $2.35 /hr - min wage back then! My reptile collection and interest began to grow even more. It wasn't long before I turned 15, and got a work permit, and was put on the payroll, even got a raise and was making serious money - $3.35/hr. LOL!

I then spent the next couple of years working between this pet shop, and another one. I graduated high school, and was 18 and started working for a reptile breeder I had met a few years earlier, by the name of Ed Wylie. He had a reptile shop named "Snakes-N-Things". Bill and Kathy Love, Lloyd Lemke, Bill Gillingham, Tom Crutchfield, and some others were household names back then, although I never got the chance to actually get to know any of them. Ed was a "jack of all trades", and had built homes for the previous 30 years or so, before going into retirement, which allowed him to focus even more, on his beloved hobby-REPTILES. He had about a 1500 sq ft breeding facility, dedicated to colubrids, boids and pythons. He bred a wide variety of kingsnakes, ratsnakes, cornsnakes, hognose, boas, pythons, rosys, milks, leopard geckos, veild chameleons, and more. He also had a "mouse room" and "rat room" that he produced 1000's of rodents in. Although his shop was open for retail, which I primarily ran, he also did a lot of wholesale and made his rounds to all of the reptile shows in Cali, and of course the Phoenix and Orlando Show every year (back in the '90s). He also regularly purchased from Strictly's, stocking the retail store with monitors, iguanas, and all of the rest of the nickel & dime stuff you see for sale in small petstores - pacman frogs, tree frogs, anoles, box turtles and tortoises, uromastyx, and my nemesis - those damn tokay geckos. Man I hated dealing with those things. Anyway, you get the idea.

Well I spent about 4 years working with Ed, and learned SO much and had so much fun. I eventually left and spent 7 years or so driving commercially for a transportation company in Modesto/Stockton, Ca. I went to college for a few years during this time, and continued with my reptiles though. I continued breeding cornsnakes and some kingsnakes. At the most (at that time in the mid '90s) I had around 100 breeding adults. I wholesaled everything I produced each year to local pet stores. Since Kingsnake.com hadn't even really taken off yet, this was the most convenient way to make a little extra $. Eventually, I got away from breeding all together and downsized my collection to a fairly constant 15-20 "pets". An albino colombian redtail, some rosy boas, a zonata, some desert banded geckos, a crotalid or two, and maybe a WC gopher or cal king.

In 2001, I started a career in public safety and have been employed by a local county here in N Cali ever since. In the past couple years I've begun expanding my collection yet again. My focus now, however, is Florida king morphs and western hog morphs. I also still have some breeding groups of splendida, nigritis, thayeri, california, zonata, trivigata, crotalus and some other stuff.

Public safety has been good to me - and comes with a certain, "job security" if you know what I mean, but reptiles are my passion, and have been for over 30 years. Although I have no plans to quit my day job, I do look forward to retirement, when I'll be able to spend my 40 hrs per week doing reptiles full time. For now, I have to be satisfied with the time I DO have to spend on them.

Anyway, there it is. Sorry so long.

Thanks again!

micah

a153fish Dec 07, 2010 08:18 AM

I love tapping into the minds of the Getula Heads here. I knew I would get some great answers. Just don't EVER ask about the origin of the White Sided Brooks, lol. I am a truck driver, and have been for the last 15 years. I Haul Chemicals for the Phosphate Industry in Polk and Hillsborough Counties, and yes I have been known to stop a big rig and take off running after snakes in the road, lol. I drive at night, so I do see quite a few of them, but I can't always stop safely to catch them all.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
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rtdunham Dec 07, 2010 02:23 PM

>>...I have been known to stop a big rig and take off running after snakes in the road, lol. I drive at night, so I do see quite a few of them, but I can't always stop safely to catch them all.

Wanna give you a thumbs up for maintaining sanity on the road.

I had a scary experience in Kentucky last year, as a passenger in a van that passed a small snapping turtle on a two-lane highway: the driver jammed on the brakes, and all i could do was crunch into my seat while listening to brakes locking on vehicle after vehicle behind us. Miraculously there were no collisions. But the driver's actions were absurd. And he had his kids in the van. It takes some self control but we've gotta use some sense out there.

Be safe, my forum friends!

(you'll see from my post below that i spent time as a newspaper reporter. For a while i had the weekend night beat, and believe me, i covered plenty of horrific accidents. Those are stories for another time, but if you'd seen the things i've seen you'd be very, very aware of how catastrophic wrecks can be, and how a single stupid driving move can trigger one. No snake's worth that. I had to raise my daughters--both of them serious animal lovers--to realize that if a dog ran out in front of them, they might have to choose to hit it rather than running into oncoming traffic or causing someone else to. Driving well's not easy)

"End-of-rant"'s not appropriate. Should I say end-of-sermon?!

a153fish Dec 07, 2010 05:29 PM

Your so right! I have seen many horrible accidents in the time I've been driving. I have also had to train my self to not react to sudden animals in the road by swurving to avoid them Unfortunately I have had to hit many dogs, hogs, and frogs! As well as racoon, possum, armidillo, Deer, and yes even snakes. Drive safe especially thru this festive time!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

pyromaniac Dec 07, 2010 09:08 AM

The wealth of experience and knowledge expressed in this forum and the other Kingsnake.com forums has been most appreciated by this newbie! I also appreciate the other newbies who ask those questions I may be too embarrassed to ask! LOL! Sometimes the forums get a tad rowdy, but I chalk that up to the passion the members have for the hobby. All in all, a first rate site.

I am a farmer.

And you, friend, champion of the weak and abused, I salute you!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

rtdunham Dec 07, 2010 01:49 PM

Like you i very much admire the resources available to us all on this forum. My thanks to you all.

ME: teacher>reporter>freelance writer>started a business newsletter>ended up publishing a magazine>sold it>retired

During that time I bred australian finches and grass parakeets for 20 years (writing a book on the subject in the process), some years making more from that activity than from my journalism profession. I then bred Lampropeltis morphs, mostly hondos, for almost 10 years (wrote magazine articles but no book this time), some years making more from that activity than from my profession.

Makes one wonder what one's profession actually is.

Shalomjeru Dec 07, 2010 02:02 PM

In a previous life I was a Retail Store clerk(Safeway Stores and Tropical Fish/Herp Stores, Retail Store Manager and Cichlid Breeder/Wholesaler). For the past 25yrs. I have been, and continue to be, a Methodist Pastor. I have been keeping Herps for the last 56 years and consider myself a Newbie as I always find something new to learn and new critters keep. Perhaps the most amazing thing in my life is that I have known FR for 50 years and I still like him inspite of the challenges he presents to the Herp World (I learned in the field not to take him personally and to run like heck when he starts throwing Rattlers around!!!!)

Pat G-C

willstill Dec 08, 2010 10:01 AM

Hi,

Prior to my career as a 6th grade teacher in an inner city school district, I worked in road repair/contruction (late 90's), co-owned a reptile wholesale business (late 90's). Prior to that, I co-owned a pet shop that focused on exotics (early 90's). All the while I maintained a collection of eastern kings, pythons and turtles.

Will

Tony D Dec 08, 2010 04:14 PM

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mbrawley Dec 09, 2010 02:27 PM

Thanks a lot to those of you who responded!

micah

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