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Fort Collins CO Pet sales ban

EricWI Dec 10, 2010 01:07 PM

FORT COLLINS - The sale of dogs, cats and other small animals at pet stores would be banned in Fort Collins under a proposal that might be headed to the April 2011 municipal ballot.

In addition to cats and dogs, the sale ban would apply to birds, reptiles, amphibians and animals such as mice, hamsters and ferrets.

The goal of the ban is to disrupt the business of puppy mills and kitten factories that breed large numbers of animals in inhumane conditions, said Laure Molitor, organizer of a petition drive aimed at amending a city ordinance governing the sale of animals and insects.

While a few stores in Fort Collins sell small animals, such as birds and reptiles, Pet City in Foothills Malls is the only store that sells puppies. If the ordinance gets on the ballot and is approved, it would shut down the business, owner Gregg Kinnes said.

"If their goal is to not have anyone selling puppies, it's a very narrow thing they are trying to do," Kinnes said.

The store works only with breeders that are certified by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, he said. The term "puppy mill" is not well defined and can be used to tarnish anyone in the pet business, he said.

"If they want to shut down a puppy mill, then they should go out and find a puppy mill and shut it down and not go after pet stores," he said.

Animal-rights advocates believe taking away the pet-store market is the quickest and most efficient way to target unethical breeders, Molitor said.

Molitor, a 21-year-old CSU student, said she was inspired to push for a local ban on pet sales by the enactment of similar bans in other cities.

"I just wanted to do something in Fort Collins knowing how much we love our animals and advocate for humane treatment," she said. "I want to take that one step further."

The ban also would encourage responsible pet ownership, according to the petition language. The ban would not affect the ability of shops to provide space and care for animals owned by animal shelters that are being offered for adoption.

Petitioners have to collect 2,517 signatures of registered city voters to move the proposal forward, said Rita Harris, chief deputy city clerk. The deadline for submitting the petitions is Jan. 28, 2011.

If sufficient signatures are collected, the City Council could adopt the ordinance as written or place it on the April 5, 2011, ballot for voters to decide the issue.

Pet City co-owner Kären Kinnes said the family has visited the breeding facilities that supply them with animals to ensure they are well run and healthy.

"We are very proud of where we get our puppies from," she said.

Molitor said Pet City is not the target of the proposed ordinance and petition drive. The issue is concern about cruel treatment of dogs and cats bred in deplorable conditions and sold to pet stores.

The same concern should carry over to the treatment of small animals, birds and reptiles, she said.

Exotic pets, many of which are captured in the wild, that are bought on impulse often are euthanized or otherwise disposed of by owners once they realize they can live many years and need significant care, Molitor said.

"It's like taking elk out of Rocky Mountain National Park and putting them in your backyard," she said. "They don't make good pets."

Other cities across the country have adopted limits on pet store sales, including West Hollywood, Calif., and El Paso, Texas. In El Paso, stores may not sell dogs or cats younger than 1 year old, but there are no restrictions on smaller animals like birds and reptiles.

The Larimer Humane Society is reviewing the Fort Collins proposal and has not taken a stance on it, spokeswoman Marcie Willms said.

The organization "opposes commercial breeders who house their animals in inhumane conditions without regard to their physical or social needs and the pet shops that support this industry by selling their animals," according to a policy statement.
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Replies (16)

EricWI Dec 10, 2010 03:51 PM

"Parakeet Prohibitions": Coming to a City Near You!

wireptile Dec 10, 2010 05:02 PM

I am pretty sure that I could figure out on my own, without the help of AR busybodies, that a Rocky Mountain Elk would not be a sensible addition to my household, but I am just fine with my boas, tegus, monitors, tortoises,etc., and dont need these clueless droids deciding what i can own, or purchase from, or sell to, a pet store.

EricWI Dec 10, 2010 06:20 PM

I don't believe I have ever seen a wild caught "Rocky Mountain Elk" available for sale in any retail pet store I've ever been to. But I have seen plenty of small, captive bred (or domestically produced I should say) leopard geckos, ball pythons, uromastyx, corn snakes, and bearded dragons in most though.

Something tells me that this clueless college girl needs to re-take some remedial Animal Biology 101 courses before she attempts to influence public policy.

aquick Dec 10, 2010 07:52 PM

Several things here....

1.) What kind of pets are you supposed to obtain from pet stores then? Seems like the field has been narrowed to fish and hermit crabs.

2.)She seriously made a comparison between removing a 1,000 pound cervid with a huge home range from the wild and removing a lizard whose home range may have been a shrub? Hmmm evidently the apples and oranges taste similar in her fruit basket.

3.)Seems to me a kid with a soft spot for puppies looked to the AR idiots for advice on how to "stop the puppy mills" and fell for their mindless propaganda.

4.)If the dog breeding facility met the USDA standards, it is hardly a "puppy mill". Having been involved with USDA inspections, they are pretty strict.

EricWI Dec 10, 2010 08:16 PM

5) If her stated goal is to close or regulate puppy mills, then how will proposing to end all retail sales of dogs and cats in one municipality have any impact? Puppy mills will simply sell their sub-standard stock through other venues and to other stores in other municipalities...

Likewise...

6) How does the inclusion of reptiles and most other species of animals besides cats and dogs accomplish this goal at all?

natsamjosh Dec 11, 2010 08:04 AM

The store owner addressed the biggest logical flaw:

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"If they want to shut down a puppy mill, then they should go out and find a puppy mill and shut it down and not go after pet stores," he said.
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Exactly. Any legitimate business could be shut down using this logic. Should we shut down stores that sell alcohol *because* there are some moonshiners in the hills of Kentucky? Should we shut down womens' handbag retailers because crooks make fake ones? And why does this idiot college girl even support pet ownership (via adoption) at all? Shouldn't we shut down dog and cat food retailers because those retailers could get the food from Chinese manufacturers with poor quality control?

What's frightening is that there is enough support for this crap that it gets attention.

USARK Dec 11, 2010 08:45 AM

Has anyone made the connection that Ft Collins is where Gordon Rodda & Robert Reed of USGS Constrictor Report fame live and work?
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USARK

Jaykis Dec 11, 2010 05:43 PM

Hmm....the plot thickens.

aquick Dec 11, 2010 08:06 PM

Is stupid in the water out there then?

natsamjosh Dec 11, 2010 09:59 PM

>>Is stupid in the water out there then?

They are a lot of things - dishonest, self-servicing, politicians disguised as scientists, etc. - but they are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing and what the end goal is. If they were just stupid, we wouldn't be on the verge of losing our freedom to keep "exotic" animals as pets. And they wouldn't be in a position to peddle blatantly crap science without any fear of repercussions. At some point, all/most of these unchecked Federal agencies (including the DOI) need to be dismantled or overhauled, or things are only going to get worse.

jscrick Dec 12, 2010 02:43 AM

Death by a thousand cuts...
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Aaron Dec 14, 2010 12:47 AM

Maybe we need to find a way to take some descision making power out of the hands of regulators and put it in the hands of voters. I don't think most people would actually vote for most things in the AR agenda but the AR organizations can easily influence the regulators with their money.

Another thing is, and I know USARK is already doing this, is to make taxpayers aware of how much of their tax money is actually going to have to be spent on the administration and enforcement of these laws. Citizens need to be made aware too that not only does it cost money to make and enforce these laws but that when pet stores, private breeders etc. go out of bussiness there is a whole domino effect. The bussiness' former owners and their employees not only no longer have money to spend and put into the economy but they may also need to go on unemplyment and/or other forms of public assistance while they transition into a new line of work. These days that transition period seems to be lasting longer and longer too.
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natsamjosh Dec 14, 2010 07:37 AM

Aaron,

We already have a way to limit the power of regulators/gov't - the Constitution. Sadly, it seems passe to talk about the Founding Fathers, but the fact is that they set up an incredible framework with enough checks and balances to prevent the type of nonsense that goes on today. However, many (in all three branches of the gov't) who have sworn to uphold the constitution, don't uphold it. And the unofficial fourth pillar of government (the media/press) is only concerned with pushing agendas as well.

So while I believe your intentions are good, I believe you (and many others) are treating a symptom of a much greater problem. Reptile owners are a very small minority, and the vast majority of the public don't like reptiles, don't care enough to support us, or just don't have the time to devote to this particular cause given we (Americans) have to fight so many battles. I love my snakes, but my livelihood and my family are higher up on the priority list. I have to fight Obamacare (which forced my wife and me to sell our ownership in our medical clinic, which was supposed to be our "American Dream",) I have to fight my local school system since, I have to fight for my right to bear arms, etc., etc., etc. I love reptiles as much as anyone, but I only have so much time/money to devote to it.

Given our minority position, I just don't think we can win by playing the "special interest" game. And do we really want a society where we have to create a "special interest" group for every damn hobby or activity we want to participate in?

I really like this quote:

"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
-Ayn Rand

Thanks,
Ed

jscrick Dec 14, 2010 02:22 PM

I like that quote too, Ed. So true. Lawmakers are in the business of making laws and they do, do that for sure.

"Lets gin up some goblins and create some new legislation to protect the public from our newly arisen beast".

AR groups such as PETA, HSUS, and Defenders of Wildlife fit right into that scenario. They are all free range QUASI-governmental organizations that answer to virtually no one.

If you went deep, to the root cause of all this, all arrows would point to the media. All offenders pander to and support the media with their need for a paid platform to hurl their propaganda.

And there you have the symbiotic triumvirate of Society's authoritarian societal parasites. All getting fat and giggly at the expense of yours and my rights and freedoms.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Jaykis Dec 14, 2010 02:59 PM

Ed, can you tell me how the healthcare laws made you sell interest in a clinic? I'm really curious about that. Nothing has even gone into effect yet.

jscrick Dec 14, 2010 01:56 PM

Once again, you are right on. You are so right.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

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