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Anyone know where they went? They dont have a listing on here anymore in the business section.
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~Markus

The very existence of flamethrowers means that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves..."You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire...but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

Hmmm, no website anymore either. Maybe they're out of the business. Hope it's nothing serious. Last time I saw them was at the Pasadena show in Nov. '09.
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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

Yeah I tried that too! Weird! Yep thats the last time I saw them too actually. I was gonna send them a referral and went to grab their link...but they's gone
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~Markus

The very existence of flamethrowers means that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves..."You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire...but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

While following their ads they have been selling off some if not all of their collection. It appeared to me that perhaps they were getting out of the business. That is an A$$umption. They still show 15 active ads in the classifieds. Have you tried to contact them through any of those?

Just a thought.

IF they are getting out and their subscription to their website ran out I could understand them not renewing it. Another A$$umption.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Guess it's time to take a big group of kids out toilet papering
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~Markus

The very existence of flamethrowers means that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves..."You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire...but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

We're still here, but the city where we live is trying to force us out of business. They have already forced us to move our animals, which we have done, to a location outside the city and county. Last week we received a letter stating that we would be fined $370 per day for having the website up, so we had no alternative but to take it down. All of this has come about due to some horrible neighbors from hell who don't like us or what we are doing and decided to gang up on us and turn us in to force us from the neighborhood. Isn't humanity amazing--and I don't mean that in a positive way.

Wow that makes me sick to my stomach to hear this. Hope to see you guys back up and running asap!!! May a bout of horrible karma be placed up those neighbors!!!
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~Markus

The very existence of flamethrowers means that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves..."You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire...but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

Yes, woe unto thy treacherous neighbors that they may be smote and suffer a wrathful fate.

Amazing how they can let their petty, ill-informed and selfish biases bring such burden upon there fellow citizens.
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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

Wow, very sorry to hear that! Gotta wonder, why the heck would your neighbors give a darn. There's nothing on the outside to even suggest what you're doing or do impact them at from what I could see. Such a shame. The public ignorance and fear about snakes is so unfortunate. Sensationalilst TV doesn't help either.

On what grounds is your business a violation?

Again, very bad news. I very much enjoy the two animals I've got from you guys and wish you the best in getting through this.

Brad
Ventura, CA
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Not sure what their violation may be, but in my neighborhood it is against the subdivision homeowners covenant to run a business out of your house in the neighborhood. I cannot even convert my carport into a room or put up a small building in my yard. All against the rules of the subdivision covenants which you agree upon when buying your house. I could build a small building in the yard, but it must comply with the exterior of my home. In other words, too expensive to build one the homeowners association board would approve of. It sucks, but it also prevents yards full of junk cars, trash, and other eyesore issues that plaque other neighborhoods time to time.

When I was looking for property to buy I was adamant about no properties with Homeowner Associations/Covenants! I would rather live with trashy neighbors with old cars up on blocks and junky RVs in the front yard than a bunch of tight ass neighbors who would have a say on how I live my life. If I want to have chickens or work on my truck nobody is going to be able to tell me I can't.

I finally bought property with the nearest neighbor a quarter mile away, and no Homeowners Associations. Nobody is going to tell me to get rid of my mouse barn, all my cats, my rooster, or anything else. I cannot really express how much I hate Homeowners Associations. The only thing one can do is don't buy property in those neighborhoods! I only lived in one of these controlled neighborhoods once about forty years ago, and these meddling busybodies wanted me to get rid of my banty chickens. I packed up my chickens and moved to the country. Problem solved.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

www.bankrate.com/finance/real-estate/homeowner-associations-devils-or-angels-1.aspx
This is the last I will rant about Homeowners Associations. Anybody buying a house; watch out for these things and don't buy in such developments if you value your freedom.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

I hate HOAs too. Even if we didn't have reptiles we still wouldn't live anywhere that has an HOA. Government already has WAAAY too much control over our lives and the last thing anybody needs is a stupid Nazi HOA to exert yet further micromanagement over what people do and how they live their lives with their asinine nitpicky rules and regulations. I do not want anybody telling me that I can't have a clothesline in my own backyard, can't park my car in my own driveway, and can only paint my house certain colors and only plant certain plants in my front yard. I have seriously heard of HOAs enforcing all of the above listed things, and worse. Who needs that?!

I agree that there are good reasons for laws, restrictions, codes etc. and often times without them things would get messy. BUT, in this particular case, I've been to their place and you'd never know from outside that they were snake breeders and the place was very clean and tidy inside. They also avoided selling directly from their residence, even to "locals" such as myself. So, from my vantage, and in such a case, why bother them?
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I am a firm believer we live in a very hypocritical society today. Remember the old Billy Crystal skits when he impersonated Fernando Lamas on SNL? His signature phrase was "better to look good than feel good darling". I think some people would rather live next to gang members, thieves, and corrupt politicians as long as they played golf, had the right car in the driveway, and sent their kids to the most exclusive private schools. In this case, I think its just a matter of ignorance or fear. Still, there may be restrictions to running a business from your home in that area. If the neighbor can't run his lawn business from his house, then why should you be allowed to run your herp business? I think we forget that as our "hobby" grows, we may actually be breaking occupational and zoning laws with how we sell babies, etc.

I have two friends who live in neighborhoods that have some sort of Homeowners Association/Covenant rules. They both are hobbyist snake fanciers and breeders. One is even a well known breeder, but to protect his identity I will not say who he is or where he lives. Both of them have been selling snakes out of their homes for years with no trouble from the neighbors.

But if neighbors gets a hard on towards someone, they can use the often Draconian and rigid by-laws to make that person's life hell. That seems to be the case with Isis. I am surprised these trouble makers even had the authority to make Isis take down it's website.

I wish all the best with Isis and hope it prevails in this conflict. A rural location is bullet proof for the most part concerning home industries.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

We lived here for 16 years and never had any problems until we got a new neighbor. This neighbor starting making trouble from the time he moved in. He rents. We own, and have been here for
years and never had any problems.

We are quiet middle-aged people. We kept things very clean and low key. It wasn't like we had people coming and going from the house or creating traffic/parking problems on the street. We might have had someone over to pick up an animal maybe once every few months.

What actually happened was that the POS across the street and down a couple of houses has never liked us and has always had it in for us, for no other reason than the fact he always disliked us. It got back to us that what he did was go over to the new neighbor who was moving in next door and told him what we do, and instigated him to call the city on us. He also went all over the neighborhood instigating others to call on us as well. And call they did, over and over.

Some people just aren't happy unless they are making problems for others, and this is what we had here. They don't like us and that was their way to force us out of the neighborhood. I'm sure there will be a special place in Hell for them.

I had got the mistaken idea that you were being attacked by a Homeowners Association, but it appears instead this neighbor knew some city ordinances and has used them against you. What a prick.

I chose my rural location in a sparsely populated county just to avoid such city ordinances. My private road does not get any county help and in the winter is a terrible muddy mess, unless it has snow on it, in which case it is a terrible snowy mess. But it takes the county sheriff 45 minutes to respond to a call. My one neighbor had problems with his teenagers (another type of Hell) and the sheriff had a hard time even finding his place, that is how remote we are. My neighbor and I help each other. There is only the one neighbor within sight or sound, and we help each other, as rural folks tend to do. I feel blessed in that I don't have any other neighbors that would give a flying fig if I have snakes, chickens, etc.

May you find a location that is safe from this sort of harassment. Payback is a [bleep]; those neighbors will get theirs, wait and see.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Pyromaniac, please dont confuse being left alone with being legal. Back yard hobbyists and breeders enter the realm of being a business based on sale of animals, and can be regulated under the terms and conditions required of any business. Zoning restrictions for businesses, licenses, taxes, etc., etc. The fact that most hobbyist/breeders fall under the radar due to small size and such does not necessarily make it legal in all areas.

I have checked my county ordinances and would require just a simple business license. Where I live is zoned agricultural so if I called my snakes cows or chickens I wouldn't even need that! LOL!

No license shall be required for:
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Agricultural or viticultural occupations or for the operation of stock, dairy or poultry farms;

It is important to investigate the ordinances of any area one plans to buy property in or is thinking of opening a business in. I am guessing Isis started out as a small hobbyist and never gave a worry to any licenses, permits, or ordinances against and as the years rolled by the hobby became a business, and they had the misfortune to be attacked by a hostile neighbor who targeted their vulnerability.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. Hang in there and we will see you come out on the other side better than ever.

Best wishes......

Ginter
@ Strictly Pituophis