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Who can truly get enough of them anyway?

So here are my pair. The pattern shows in white....any idea of what is up with that? The male started showing as a yearling and the female has taken longer....they are five or so (I am old and have CRS) Thinking I will put them together this year.

Female is first then the male.

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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

got as a dirt brown baby from a petstore.

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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

Well.... Not trying to burst any bubbles, but I think you are seing the white showing up in the pattern due to amelanism, not hypomelanism. From the pics, especially the bottom one, those glades appear amelanistic and not hypo IMO. Are the eyes ruby red or red in coloration like an amel corn? I know it may be hard to tell with a snake that typically sports bright orangish red eyes even when normal phase. Usually the striped obsoleta start blotched and go through pattern changes to striped. It appears yours, especially the bottom one, are becoming more blotched or the blotch borders are becoming more prominent with age?? Almost patterning up with age like an amel corn would if I understand your post correctly.

>>Well.... Not trying to burst any bubbles, but I think you are seing the white showing up in the pattern due to amelanism, not hypomelanism. From the pics, especially the bottom one, those glades appear amelanistic and not hypo IMO. Are the eyes ruby red or red in coloration like an amel corn? I know it may be hard to tell with a snake that typically sports bright orangish red eyes even when normal phase. Usually the striped obsoleta start blotched and go through pattern changes to striped. It appears yours, especially the bottom one, are becoming more blotched or the blotch borders are becoming more prominent with age?? Almost patterning up with age like an amel corn would if I understand your post correctly.

Not bursting anything. I got them in a great deal with a friend as yearlings and they originally came from Mark Ball. They are still cool and I am not complaining at all but I do want a hypo glades...Though my 10yr old is pretty doggone orange. If they are amel and not hypo and I breed them what could I expect. They are also half again the size of any of my other rats even though they are 02's. I gotta get on the ball and weigh 'em.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

If they are indeed amels, and I cant really say from the pic, then you would get all amels.

If they are indeed 02s, they should be more than mature enough to breed at eight years old. Not all obsoleta get to be huge six plus foot animals, and some probably stay in the three plus foot range pending on the size of the population they originated from. At eight years old, I doubt they will have any more significant growth. The lack of size may also indicate there is some non-obsoleta blood in the mix, like maybe cornsnake. Based on the photos, I am leaning to them being some type of amelanistic obsoleta integrade like a bubblegum rat that has black rat, yellow rat, and glades rat mixed together and borrows the amel gene from the black rat. This mixture also results in a variety of pattern seen in the same clutches. Animals range from totally blotched, intermediate, and probaby even fully striped at times. Your animals could be the hypo variant of the bubblegum rat, and borrwed the hypo gene from the black rat. Really hard to say. However, since they are a "matched" pair, they should breed true regardless of being amel or hypo.

Yeah, I have put off breeding them. But I think this is the time. My health finally allows it for one thing and with that energy I am ambitious and I feel I will have the time. And I know they are 02s as I have had them since they were not quite yearlings. I got all my ratsnakes at the same time in a trade with a friend who decided to go to all cornsnakes.

Odd to see the substantial differences in size amongst them. Prefeeding my male everglades 10yo is 1777gms
Male Albino yellow is 1565
whitesided everglades male is 1460
female greenish are 1340 and 1374
"hypo" everglades male is 1035
female is 647
and my female yellow rat is 812

All are 02s but I suspect the hypos were very late in the year as they were half the size of the others when I got them.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

The bottom one is definitely not a hypo everglades. It looks more like a bubblegum too me. Hypo everglades are a bright solid orange.