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I don't see why the hybrid forum needs to be one of the arguement hubs..I understand that it is a way to avoid disruptions in specific species forums but it seems like you consider hybridizers or anyone interested in the subject to be second class citizens.

Thanks Randy T.
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You never experience life until you have kids..then you realize what you should have done rather then what you did do

The hybrid discussion forum was specifically created for the purpose of holding discussions about hybrids including the negative points of views that some folks may have about them. This forum exists to give people a place where they can fight it all out and not disrupt the flow of conversation on the regular discussion forums. When a hybrid topic of discussion on a regular forum becomes disruptive or out of control, then that discussion clearly no longer belongs on that forum and as such, chances are it will be moved to this forum where it properly belongs.

So does that mean we can post negative points of views on corns, boas, kings ect as long as we do not bring up hybrids?
NO!

Can I go on the boa forum because I do not like the large boids and say they should be made illegal because they are dangerous and give the snake hobby a bad name.
NO

Or how about recently when a poster asked how to breed cornsnakes as feeders to his kings on the cornsnake forums? That caused quite the uproar. That got deleted by the mods with no explantion.. hmmmmmmm? Double standard maybe?
yes

Seems a little off base and prejudicial from the mods point of view. I would be willing to bet that KS and their affiliate staff do not care for hybrids.
SO

Bottom line is this ain't city hall and we are in THEIR house.
We have to play by their rules! KS provides a unique service in that we have the opportunity to share our love (and hate) of certain reptiles on a site that has more people and hits than any other reptile site. That in itself is a priviledge. Does that make their rules and them perfect. NO! But we are still priveledged to participate.
yes indeed

I know of one mod that owns a hybrid.

It really is a shame that I didn't want to sponsor this forum purely because it brings up such negativity.
I'd love to see it be a place for intelligent debate. The intelligent purists do have some very rational points and there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to voice them here, but the blind attacks from both sides is unnecessary.
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We would like a place to discuss the breeding and keeping of hybrids. After you have been here as long as I have the posters change but the questions and the debates are always the same - blah blah blah !
Why can't we be left alone like the king, rosy,indigo, gecko people. We are not interested in debating whether you SHOULD breed hybrids. Maybe you are but this is not really the right place or IMO the right (or polite) thing to do.
Would you go on a homosexual site and list the reasons why you think its wrong to have same sex partners?
Keep it on your own sites where you can debate it amongst yourselves. I am sure a few hybrid breeders people will show up and give their two cents once in a while. Otherwise it just a disruption...which is probably fine with most of you because that is what you want. And this proves my point.

I respect your opinion, but feel you misinterpretted mine.

I fully support this forum as a standalone forum, but I do feel that intelligent debate is to be encouraged on ANY forum.

In the cornsnake or leo forum, if a mother came on and was clearly prejudiced against buying reptiles for her child- would you encourage the deleting of her posts as harassment and trolling? Or would you try to educate her?

Now granted it's a very different scenario, but I hope it gets my point across?

I do not support flame wars or anything else of such a negative nature, but I do believe that educating others is the primary duty of each and every topical forum on this website.
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blue rosy...Lets go to the turtle discussion. Lets sign on there & tell them that tortoises are better. What would kingsnake say about that. Or how about the Kingsnake discussion...Tell them milks rule. Wait....Lets go everywhere HYBIDS RULE all purist are replicating replications of replicated replicas.....Larby Hunnylamb

Bring on the purists I wanna chew on their grief.

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