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Its that time of year again to do this post, especially since things have been slow lately on here.

I guess I qualify as a milkhead since I only have 4 non-triangulum in my collection.

Let's see what you're keeping in addition to your triangulum!

Dave

Eagles Nest locality alterna - both females

Rowan county, NC female eastern king

And finally a female Amazon Basin

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Sorry Dave, I had to! I hope your and your's are doing great!

Mitch

Hey Mitch. Come on! show your subocs, bairds, etc, etc.!

Have a great holiday if I don't talk with you before then.

Dave
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Dave,

I don't have a ton of photos of snakes other than zonata (which I just posted about 200 on the kingsnake forum) and milksnakes, but here's a few of what I'm working with.

277 alterna.

Black-phase mexicana.

Ruby Road triaspis.

This is the best picture I can get right now of my male P. d. jani. Everyone always said they take forever to grow, but my pair does not agree! I purchased a pair from Isis Reptiles in 2007 and by last year they bred for their first time and each animal is over five feet. Here's the male and his colors.

I have multiple pairs of Cal kings. After this spring's breeding efforts I think I'm gonna have to part ways with them though (need the space).

Patagonia pyro.

I know most of you have seen this guy recently, but I've been fortunate enough to find a pair or two of these hypo prairies to work with.

Sunkissed Corn Snake

Sunkissed Motley Corn Snake

Cinder Corn Snake

Golddust Motley Corn Snake

Striped Amber Corn Snake

Mitch

Thanks for sharing all the photos. They are all top notch! I love them all. My most favorite is your male jani. He is incredible! Also like your sunkissed corns and the prairie kings.

--Dennis

Mitch, I really like that 277 alterna, very different looking for a Hwy 277 animal. At least to me.

I know I told you this on the phone but those hypo calligaster are fantastic looking, still.

-Dell

Really super looking collection there Mitch! For what its worth, I'd ditch a pair of the corns and keep those B&W Cal kings.

You breading those Padi pyros?
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wow, that hypo is sick.I have never seen one before.incredible.....

I keep a bunch of albino atrox ( all different phases) and albino Mojave's etc.....

L8r
Shannon

Wow, Shannon, what a beautiful variety.

--Dennis

Those are awesome bud!!

~Doug
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Thanks man, thats just a small sample.I have about 15 crotes total and and few are the ONLY ones in Cali.
Man, I need to get some new pics cause they are all adults now.
This is a bubble gum (amel x black).

L8r Shannon

That definitely isn't Bill Love's original "Bubblegum" rat..LMAO!!

That thing is awesome man!
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awesome Mitch! Thanks for sharing. I love those hypo caligaster and the jani! Great stuff.

Dave
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Dam, I forgot you had an Emerald, those are some of the most fantastic boa.
Dave you've got some very nice alterna. I've got a couple of breeding pairs of those.
Hwy 277's.

Of course I'v still got this pair of Rainbow boa. Great snakes to work with.

The oil is in the gear to bring more zonata into the collection.

I used to keep a nice locality group of Hognose snake but moved them out to make room for more milk snakes.

I've got a nice size colony of Rubber boa I enjoy working with.

My kids absolutely love these snakes.

We also keep Tiger Salamanders Ambystoma tigrinum melanostictum. This nifty little dude Cole and I flipped one day looking for Pales.

And we have a nice size Dart frog tank in the living room that is always a conversation piece.

In the dark corners of the house we have a few tarantulas. Mr. B. smithii

Oopss. That'd be Mrs. B. smithii.

We'v got a few other hairy Shelob's around too.

-Dell

Great tarantulas Dell... one of those things that are on my list of "must have" some day... if the A. versicolor are something other than just pets drop me a pm sometime.

Gerry

Gerry your first assumption was correct. I only have them as a curiosity, I can't bring my self to call them pets. I mean they'er not waiting around for me to pet them or anything. Matter of fact I believe our Tarantulas hate me w/ complete contempt. But despite having this feeling a from them, I still like having them around.

The Avicularia v. are great to work with, but have to say I like the Mex. Redknee best.

-Dell

Here's another shot of the versicolor for you.

Wow Dell, you've got some cool other stuff. Those alterna are outstanding.

I must admit those spiders freak me out! lol

How did you get into those rubber boas? They look pretty cool. I bet my kids would dig those too.

thanks for sharing.

Dave
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The only other things I keep atm are Gray Tree Frogs and a Spotted Salamander... Great question and I hope many others take the time to reply to it.

Gerry

Those Hyla look like neat little dudes to work w/. What are you feeding them?
Do you burmate them too.

-Dell

I agree Dell, they are one of my favorites up here in the Northeast. I always thought about trying to keep one or two, maybe someday... Interested in hearing more Gerry.

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Joe

This time of year it's gray crickets from the local pet shop, get them lightly dusted as well... summer time it's field crickets and grasshoppers I catch in the yard, as well as moths and earthworms... salamander gets crickets and worms.

No to the brumation, though now I wish I had. The oldest one is almost eight now and despite having developed cataracts still going strong. I'm beginning to wonder just how long she'll live and if replicating the conditions she would have endured here in the wild would have increased the life span... too late now to answer that question.

Thanks for the additional pics of the tarantula, a real beauty. Perhaps at my next expo I'll pick one or two up instead of just saying "some day"... after all at 52 there are probably more some days behind me than ahead of me.

And more importantly... why am I not at all surprised you have your own moth photos tucked away just waiting for it's time!

Gerry

I dig those first two greybands and have always been a fan of emeralds (though I've never owned one).

Besides milks I breed (Santa Cruz Garter, MBK, Corn, Northern & Black Pine, Russian & Baird's Rat) Snakes.

I also keep Alligator Lizards, Asian Pond Turtles (Reeves, Kwangtung River, and Chinese Yellow), Box Turtles (Gulf Coast and Florida), Tiger Salamanders, Warty Newts, and Barking Treefrogs.

I just got my first Emperor Scorpions. I also have an Eastern Toe Biter (aka Giant Water Bug). A couple of years ago I bred my first Polyphemus Moths.

Photos of raising Polyphemus Moths

I recently posted a photo of the Giant Water Bug in the Field Notes forum because I think it's one of those "must see' type things but I never thought of keeping one. When you see one... even without knowing it's other common name of Eastern Toe Biter... you can't help but being taken aback and thinking there's no way on god's green earth earth I'm touching that thing, rather like my reaction to first seeing a hellgrammite, both are simply bad a$$ed looking critters. If you feel up to it I'd like to hear more about how you kept one... pm is fine.

Same goes with the Polyphemus Moth... I passed up the chance to purchase eggs a couple of years ago and have regretted it since... I made an effort to find someone working with them last year about this time but with no luck... so if you know of anyone...

Gerry

Nice Tim! Those Polyphemus Moths must have been an interesting insect to breed and watch progress to adulthood. Fun project to play around w/.

-Dell

Great inquiry. Apart from an increasing interest in North American Milks, I keep a diverse group of "normal" Western Hognose snakes, a few morphs, and a maturing group of Rubber Boas.

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Adam Schroeder

Lets see, I keep some of these

Some of these

These

these

Very nice Joe! What's the story on that chain king? How about the holbrooki?

Dave

Thanks Dave. The eastern king is a Va beach female that will be going this spring (hopefully). The speckled is a screamer male that I caught in eastern KS last year. I NEED to find a female for him badly. I went out there this year but not at a good time and found squat!! LOL.

Joe

very nice man. you're right that holbrooki is a screamer! I hope you find a nice female for him.

Dave

Nice hypo honduran Joe, Looks big and impressive.

-Dell

Heart Mountain

Thanks Dell. That is a Dave Niles special that I got as a hatchling last year. I know it's a milk and does not "fit the thread", but I like her!!! LOL. How old is that Deppei you posted?

Ooops! That was Cole that posted that snake. You and Cole post each others snakes all the time and I goofed! Anyway, how old is it, because I know you will have that info too!! LOL

some pythons,tree boas,kings,housesnakes

Those are some smoking additional types of snakes you have there Dave!

Well,..........

Some Outer Banks kings...

Some newly discovered locality-specific hypo "greenish" ratsnakes and hets. Here is the light phase male with pink/red eyes....

The slightly darker morph female with black pupils...

Normal het male.....

normal het female....

the original morph father (photo courtesy Jim Godfrey)....

Assorted brooksi(floridana)....

hypo lavender male and locality Brevard county, Florida female(Jorge has female now)...

hypo corn female het lavender, poss. het anery....

Desert king (female)....

Desert king (male)...

Just recently sold this nice glades male...

and my little buddy "Bucky" of course..LOL!

Thanks for looking!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Awesome Doug. Love seeing you post your brooksi. That lavender Brevard Co. corn is wild looking.

Good old Bucky, I hope he got a treat for sitting up like that.

Best wishes for the holidays to you and the Buckster.

-Dell

Thanks Dell!....

Yeah, he always stands like that when he wants my attention......which is ALWAYS!..LMAO!!

Yeah, the locality female corn is doing real well with Jorge now. I captured her across the street when she was a little 19 inch yearling back in 2005.

Glad you like the brooksi bro. I really like'em too!

Happy Holidays to you and your family too man, that includes your cool little Terrier also!

BTW,..nice trout too!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Great looking snakes as usual for you Doug. But Bucky stole the show. What a cutie he is.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

LOL!..thanks alot Big T!. I'm glad you like Bucky too man, he is definitely my cute little buddy!..HAHAA!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Great animals Doug! Man those are all sweet. I really like the OBX kings...and would love to have some - unfortunately I can't since I live in NC.

You've got a killer pair of splendida too.

Never seen those hypo greenish rats...very cool too.

Thanks for posting!

Dave
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Thanks Dave! Yeah, not being able to have any Outer Banks is a bummer. BUT!, fortunately you have a whole bunch of other fantastic stuff at your house to compensate..LOL!

Yeah, my buddy in South Carolina caught the original one-of-a-kind morph in the middle of a huge swamp wilderness one early morning back in 2006, and since then has produced a few morphs and hets. There are only a few of these in the entire world as of now. So I look real forward to working with these guys!

Happy Holidays, Dave!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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wow, that project is extra special then! that is cool man.

Dave

They certainly are my friend. And for these morphs to have all these different looking phenotypes in the same clutch is quite perplexing as well. I am thinking that these may well be similar to the extreme hypo gene in Hondurans where you get varying degrees of hypomelanistic offspring within a given clutch.

There is something very different about these that is going on for sure!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I keep this guy and he is far better then reptiles



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Doug L

Although your timing is a little off, since I've recently made the move to eliminate almost all of the non-triangulum animals from my collection! My goal is to focus almost exclusively on my milks. That said, I'll still keep around a few Corallus hortulanus (just because they're awesome) and a colony of Charina bottae (also because they're awesome). I also keep a tank of Bumblebee Dart frogs (Dendrobates leucomelas).

-Cole

Pituophis deppei deppei - Rancho Santa Barbara, Durango, Mexico

Hey Cole - I didn't know you moved almost all your non-triangulum out! My timing was off for sure!

Dave

ridleyi
chocolate hypo black rats
chess. co VA eastern kings
about 7 corns yet plus a few kids including ultramel and ultra lavs / ultramel opals and lavs ......
amel house snakes
hypo hondos
one tricolor hondo
4 locale reds
pales
OC tempo striped
St Mary co 1.1 .2
one amel/hypo Calvert Co temp M 2 yr old
one Tyrel co temp male 2 yr old
amel ruthveni 1.1 plus 1.locale
amel nelsoni 1.2
campbelli 1.2 old school
1. pyro pyro
.1 knoblochi
about 36 breedable female balls....
about a dozen to 20 breedable male balls....
about 60 to 75 baby balls yet...of which maybe 20 are keepers?...maybe 30...LOL....

and probably forgot some stuff.....

anyone want it all????.......LOL....oh....2000 plus mice, chinese hamsters,african rats, white footed mice, rats, a fulltime job . I feed squirrels everyday in the yard....and a wife........I'll throw her in too if you buy ALL of it........!!!HA!
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Everything I have is "other than milks" I don't have any milks, , yet. I hope to remedy that this next year.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

I thought you had L. t. gaigeae, no?

-Dell

I thought you had L. t. gaigeae, no?

I wish! I would love to have some gaigeae and some syspila, maybe some pales. LOL Unfortunately the area I live in is very well known for butt ugly milks.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

I owned this boa for 16 years.

some corns from my vicinity

and some cal. kings

--Dennis

That's one sweet looking cali, the corns not bad either.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

I really like that corn. You said it was from your vicinity, where are you located?

Dave

Dave,

I was sort of making a joke, but it didn't come out very well. Even Dell called to give me a rash of sh*t about it this morning. In spite of moving out a couple of non-triangulum straglers, I've still got numerous others still around.

Here's a more complete list of my non-milks (including some almost-milks):
Pituophis deppei deppei - Rancho Santa Barbara, Durango Locality
Lampropeltis zonata - Mount Hamilton Locality
L. elapsoides - Palm Beach Co., Florida Locality
Corallus hortulanus - Various "garden phase" animals
Ambystoma [tigrinum] mavortium melanostictum
L. getula californiae - "Willy" the garbage disposal
Dendrobates leucomelas - Venezuelan Standard
Eublepharus macularius
... and several other odds and ends.

-Cole

A. mavortium

Ha ha I knew you had more non-triangulum than you leading us to believe Cole! LOL

How are those palm beachers doing anyway?

Dave

Dave,

They're doing fine, just fine. Colorful, spastic little bastages, and I like 'em!

-Cole

but I've had Cal. Kings, Black Racers, Garters, Coachwhips, Corn Snakes (who hasn't), AZ Mt. Kings, Eastern Hogs, Western Hogs, Rat snakes, Veiled Chams, Dogs, Cats, Fish, Turtles, Tortoises and even raised a few butterflies!

-Rusty

Hey Rusty - love those veiled chams! And WTF were you doing on that golf course with the alligator?!? lol
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I catch all kinds of reptiles golfing...it sometimes can be a HUGE distraction!

-Rusty