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A few questions from a new owner

tricia_ann Jan 02, 2011 12:40 AM

Okay i had a few questions, i am soon to be the proud owner of a beautiful california king (pictures to come soon...) and wanted to know a few things before taking him home. first off...

I have heard mixed reviews about feeding snakes in their enclosure versus tub feeding, but my boyfriend and i are convinced that as long as it is on a plate or piece of cloth, feeding souldn't be problematic in it's habitat. I think it would only associate the cage opening with food when it can smell the food, and do not intend to place the food in with my hands, but rather, with tongs.

Another question i had was handling, how often is too often? and when is not enough? the most common answer i have seen is 3 times weekly for about an hour at a time but i have also heard it's okay to handle them twice daily for about 15 minutes at a time. My idea was once a day for about 30 minutes at a time except after feeding or during shedding.. is this too much?

Also, kasey (my boyfriend) plays the bass guitar, i have read in lots of different forums and sites that vibrations and loud noises will scare the snake and make it less docile and more aggressive.Is this true? If it is, is there anything i can do to muffle the vibrations?

I understand that little snakes can be quite timid in larger environments, but for a 3 month old is 10 gallons too big?

Will it be okay to feed him stunned rats when he reaches complete adulthood?

I know this is a lot of questions but i just want a happy and healthy snake so i want to have all of my information straight before committing to something that needs as much care as it does...

oh yeah and one more question, our flatmate has 2 dogs, will the dogs being in the same room as the snake even while it's in it's cage startle it?

All help is very much appreciated! :D

Replies (5)

Bigtattoo Jan 02, 2011 04:34 AM

The reason you see conflicting advice is that there are no hard and fast rules on keeping snakes. Much of it is based on personal experience, the animal itself and opinion.

I prefer to feed my snakes, especially young ones in tubs and it has nothing to do with feeding response.

First even feeding on a plate the snake can and most often will drag it's food off of the plate and into the bedding. The possibility of it ingesting bedding along with the food can pose problems. I'm not so much concerned with impaction but more concerned that a sharp, splintery piece of bedding could pierce the digestive tract.

Second the minimal handling to get your snake from habitat to tub then it finding food is a simple form of positive reinforcement that this handling leads to good things, food and not bad things. Those big pink things are not going to eat me. I believe in time the snake makes this association and become more used to being handled developing confidence and trust between keeper and kept.

Handling baby snakes could be stressful to the snake. They may be a top predator but are not apex predators. In other words they can be food for larger animals. Their fear of being grabbed is an instinctual reaction hence the squirming and often nipping and striking trying to defend itself. Babies will quite often spend a great deal of time in their hides, a place of security. If regularly pulled from their hide and handled this displaces that sense of security. If your baby is out and about you could pick it up and handle it gently from time to time. Try cupping it in your hands providing a safe dark environment for a few minutes then put it back. Twice a day for 15 minutes may be too much IMHO.

A 10 gallon should be fine for a baby Cali. Provide plenty of tight fitting hides, warm end, cool end and moist hides for shedding. Deep bedding to burrow in, a water bowl and your little guy should do fine. Some prefer to keep babies on paper towel but it has been my experience that even with good hides the snakes end up hiding under the PT looking for added security. Deep bedding also makes clean up a lot easier and provides added interest for the snake rather than the starker more spartan setups. Again my opinion and experience.

I can't say definitively about the vibrations from your bf's bass. I have my snakes in my bedroom/office/snake room with a home theartre with surround sound. The vibration and noise from my SS system doesn't seem to bother my snakes at all. I suggest setting up your snake, let your bf have at it and watch the baby. If while playing it gets frantic and acts like it's trying to get out then maybe you'll have to come up with something. Most likely it won't bother it at all as long as it feels secure in it's enclosure.

Feeding stunned or fresh killed, F/K to an adult is fine. Most of us try to get our snakes on frozen thawed, F/T as young as possible. Buying live rodents can be more expensive than buying F/T and is much less convenient especially when feeding a lot of animals. Another feeding tip is getting them from mice to rats as young as possible. Adult sized mice for and adult king with a healthy appetite is more expensive than feeding a similarly sized rat. It takes longer and more food to produce an adult mouse than it does to raise a weanling rat of similar size. Less time, work and food to produce equals less expensive to purchase.
The use of feed tubs aids in switching over to F/T or mice to rats as with time your snake knows why it's in the tub and starts looking for food right away.

Your flatmates dogs should not present a problem. My wife has almost as many dogs as I have snakes. Well I exaggerate but she has lots more dogs than I want. LOL I would imagine you will set you habitat up high enough that the dogs won't be able to hover over your baby all the time. While handling the dogs may get curious and stick their noses in the snakes face. The snake may get defensive and strike the nose and the dogs will begin to think twice about doing that again. LOL My wife's dogs are usually the ones that find my escapees for me.

Again these are based on my opinions and experiences. I'm sure the others will add their own and you can go from there.

Hope this helps,
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monklet Jan 02, 2011 12:01 PM

Just gotta say, that was an OUTSTANDING RESPONSE to her questions!!! Thanks for taking the time.
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HeavenHell Jan 02, 2011 12:18 PM

Whenever I vacuum (which isn't very often) I notice that many of the snakes come out of their hides to see what's going on.

markg Jan 02, 2011 05:15 PM

The subject of handling - how often, how much, etc - is truly opinion with no substantiation. The only truth is that baby snakes do not want to be grabbed and held. Some may tolerate it better than others of course, and that is true for any animal. By and large, the best advice is to leave the snake alone as much as possible until it eases up fearing you. You will notice.

I have raised quite a few Cal kings. I have had some that I honestly hardly ever touched outside of moving them to a different cage while I cleaned. And some of those grew up to be calm adults anyway. I think it is more locality influenced. That is, my local coastal Cal kings are always more prone to musk than my low desert black and white Cal kings. Always, no matter what.
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varanid Jan 03, 2011 02:38 PM

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>>I have heard mixed reviews about feeding snakes in their enclosure versus tub feeding>
I feed in the enclosure. Easier, less stress for the snake, don't have to keep a second secure enclosure handy. Not been a problem.

>>Another question i had was handling, how often is too often?>>
varies snake to snake. They don't like it, not like a dog or cat does though, so keep that in mind. If it starts to act permanetly stressed, stops eating, etc, then back off the handling. I don't usually handle more than once a week for any of mine.
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>>Also, kasey (my boyfriend) plays the bass guitar>>
Don't play in the same room as the snake you should be fine (unless he really cranks it up). My snakes to respond to things like vacum cleaners and furniture being moved so vibrations can affect them. But how much, eh up for grabs.
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>>I understand that little snakes can be quite timid in larger environments, but for a 3 month old is 10 gallons too big?
Should be fine. Make sure the cage is well set up.

>>Will it be okay to feed him stunned rats when he reaches complete adulthood?
Depends. Some cal kings stay small and are fine with mice. some get larger. F/t beats stunned though.

>>oh yeah and one more question, our flatmate has 2 dogs, will the dogs being in the same room as the snake even while it's in it's cage startle it?
not if they can't get to it. The dogs will possibly be very puzzled by/fascinted by the squirmy thing. So do make sure it's inaccessible, and while situating the cage make sure to recall every amazing feat of athletic prowess your dog has done over the years. Because yeah, some dogs *really* want to grab small moving things and chomp. But if the snake's up on a shelf they cna't get to, it won't care if they're just in the room.
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