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the origin of hog morphs?

frozenpinkie133 Jan 04, 2011 06:18 PM

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew the origin of the hog morphs? I know that the orange albinos have been around for 10 years but I would like the know if the original was wild caught or someone produced one just by being lucky?

Also, the hypos, toffee belly, anacondas, and such. I know pink pastel/albino is pretty new too but did someone just find these in the wild and bred them and made hets?

also, should the leucistic western hog be available to the public soon? I read about the leucistic on a forum and someone said they will be legal to own soon.

Thanks a lot

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krhodes Jan 05, 2011 10:27 AM

Actually the first western hognose morph to appear in the hobby was the pink pastel. A single wild-collected juvenile was found near Tokio,Texas in the mid '90's. At least one more pink pastel male was also found around the same time some 20 miles away. It was a teacher's classroom pet for ten years. When Richard Evans finally talked the people out of it, it only survived for a few months, never bred, and died.

The orange albino was the next morph to come up. A teenager in New Mexico would find the snake crossing the road on his way to pick up his girlfriend for a date. He knew he had something special whereas the collector of the pastel pink did not.

The next to surface would be the T positive albino formerly and sometimes currently called hypo. It was hatched in captivity from a wild-collected gravid female.

Next is the Evans line Jungle. Though richard Evans never proved it, several breeders now have. It also was the result of a gravid wild collected female western.

Tigers or banded pattern individuals were first on the scene from Extreme hogs. They were the result of captive breeding.

Leucistics would come about as a result of captive hatched eggs from a wild-collected gravid female.

The axanthic would follow. An unknown hobbyist would produce a few in a clutch and sell the entire group to BHB. They were produced as a result of captive breeding.

The anaconda would follow. 2004 Brent Bumgardner produced the first from a pink pastel het male x normal female. Produced by Captive breeding.

Snows were also produced as a result of captive breeding

Along the same time, the Caramel albino was produced by Craig Trumbower and the line would later be sold to BHB. A result of Captive breeding.

I believe next was the Toffeebelly, produced by RBE in Germany. This was the result of captive breeding.

Supercondas would come around as the result of cative breeding.

This time period would also yield the mocha hognose as a wild collected juvenile. High Plains Hognose.

Spider hognose would also show up as a result of eggs from a wild collected gravid female. High Plains Hognose.

A second line of banded snakes would appear as a result of captive breeding. Brent bumgardner would produce the from Charlie Shanklin snakes.

Lavender western hognose would also appear from David Turcotte as a result of captive breeding.

2008-2009 would yield several true hypos. Deemed smoke hypo from Louie Chavez and Charlie shanklin, True hypo by Jeremy Thompson and Tom Agosta. Another was produced by Extreme hogs. All are result of captive breeding

In 2010 bengals would be a new proven codom morph by Dustin Dodge as a result of captive breeding

Several lines of jungles exist and at least one more line of axanthic.

Southern Hognose

To date I am only aware of a single wild-collected paradox albino
being found back in the '90s. Bill griswold or Clive longden had something to do with this snake. She later died.

Mexican hognose

A single wild -collected albino would show up from the wild in South Texas. Dallas zoo would later receive the snake. I remember stories as a kid of this snake eating all of her eggs and later dying.

Several years later Gerry Salmon would wild collect or captive hatch from wild female, several near patternless mexican hognoses. They would be known as blond phase.

In 2009 Jon Roylance would collect an axanthic mexican hognose from the wild.

Eastern hognose

At least 3 albinos have been collected from the wild and two leucistics.
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
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GregBennett Jan 05, 2011 10:18 PM

A scale-less Eastern was produced this year.
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Greg Bennett - Western Hognose Morphs
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krhodes Jan 07, 2011 09:39 AM

thanks.
I also forgot to add that the first axanthics showed up on the scene in the mid '90s from New Jersey. So potentially there are three lines.
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

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http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
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CBH Jan 07, 2011 03:05 PM

This should be on someone's website..... hint hint... LOL.

-Chris
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krhodes Jan 14, 2011 10:48 AM

True true
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

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motorhead Jan 07, 2011 03:34 PM

Nice job Kevin
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frozenpinkie133 Jan 08, 2011 12:42 PM

Thanks kevin, it was very informative.

For the hognose enthusiasts, why do you think the orange albino is less expensive than the pink albino since the pink pastel albino was around for longer? shouldn't there be more pink pastels? Were the orange albinos simply more popular and people bred more of them resulting in cheaper and more common variation of the albinos?

Thanks for all the information guys!

krhodes Jan 14, 2011 10:44 AM

To be quite honest, the pinks were not as successful at breeding as were the oranges. That orange male sired several large clutches of hets his first year in captivity. The pink did breed also but sired fewer clutches,initially.
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/lifesciences/?action=view¤t=09-09hognose001.jpg

Conners Jun 24, 2011 03:05 PM

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to post this info.

Conners
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