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If she wasn't amel she would be super clean and just a stuning piner animal.Produced by Dave Niles a couple years ago I am pleased to have her in my collection now.Will see what she throws when I throw my t plus albino on her next year.
L8r Shannon

Awesome animal!,...

I certainly remember those killer normal pinners that Dave had!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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She is looking good man. She was the best of the best pinners I produced. Here is a picture of the Dam. At the time I got her as a hatchling, she was the best pinner I had ever seen.

Can't wait to see what you get from her and a T+!

Dave

DNS Reptiles - Milk Snakes

she looks dam nice!LOL.... Thanks Dave I just dig the heck out of her.
L8r Shannon

Shannon,

I like it...and the "boobies" wristband too.

Tim

LOL, Thanks man, it also says (keep a breast) on the other side.It was for Breast cancer month and I am just doing my part in supporting it.

L8r

THE BOOBIE WATCHER........i'm gonna be like hubbs and write a book.....ADVENTURES OF A BOOBIE WATCHER/INSPECTOR..

which does NOT go with that non-pinner bracelet.....
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Jerry Kruse
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And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Great minds think alike Jerry!
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LOL, yeah the other side says I heart.....

TITIES.....TREBECK.......

Beauty of a snake.
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Mark

That to me looks like a really nice albino sinaloan looking animal.

Yes, thanks Don.It for sure has heavy siniloan blood in it as you can tell by the long bars.I just hate to call any of them albino siniloans as we all know the amel trait was "barrowed" from the nelsoni side.
At any rate just like the hobby hondos they are all mixed and matched now so I just call them all nelsoni unless its a cosala.

Just imagine what a pure true blue albino siniloan would look like.One can wish right?

L8r
Shannon

p.s. at least some of us still have true albino nelsoni from days gone by.Not that they fetch any more money or anything and about 95% of the people don't care but I still keep a couple pairs of pure albino and het nelsoni just for fun.

p.s.s. The albino pumpkins are doing great I got from you Don.Thanks

Yes, they do greatly resemble Sinaloan's by general looks alone Don, but their RBR(red body ring)count is far too high and close together for sinaloae. Those look to be genuine pinner nelsoni. Dave Niles has some that have like 19 and 20 red body rings from what I saw, and the first red ring is far to short to be sialoae as well. They are just very abnormally thin rings.

The meristics for nelsoni are 13 to 18 RBR, and sinaloae are 10 to 16 RBR, so those are very high by even normal nelsoni standards. If they had wider arching over black rings, they would key-out extremely well for nelsoni. The thin rings really throws things off visually is all.

I would like to see what the underside of the throat looks like on them, as nelsoni usually have an incomplete, or extremely thin first black ring under the throat, ot at least very thinly connected. Many good examples of nelsoni have a huge notch missing underneath the throat in what would normally be the first black ring.

Sinaloans usually have a more thickly connected first black ring under the throat, and it often faces towards the snout in sort of a general "V" shape. Remember many years ago, I was at your table looking at the throats of a few of your nice sinaloan's?. That's what I was looking for, and yours did have the general connected "V" shape I am talking about. Your Sinaloans keyed-out VERY nicely in every single way.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hey Doug

You have a great memory. I posted pics of the underside of the necks of the parents to that female a while back to show the ring didn't connect. This is the Dam and Sire to the female pinner Shannon has.

I got the parents that produced the pinner Shannon has directly from Doug Moody. I know others were mixing the albino gene with sinaloans but I dont know that the founder of the albino nesloni was back in the mid 90's???

Now Shannon has the original Moody animals that I pictured here so I'd be interested to hear what he says about the adults that produced this pinner female.

Dave

DNS Reptiles

Hard to tell from the pics since the ring is so pale in the amels, but I will take your word that they don't connect there..LOL!.

Thanks for the history on those bro. Yeah, the amel gene didn't appear in nelsoni until about 94 or so, because in 1996 they were the big rage with very few produced and went for $2000 bucks!. I remember Doug Beard popped one out from some animals he "thought" were normals at the time too, so he was totally stoked about it to say the least. Then of course everyone raced in to breed anything available that was close to a nelsoni(i.e. Sinaloans) to make more expensive babies, and the rest is intergrade history..LOL!

Those are pretty unique looking items Dave, and they have high band counts to boot. Now if those rings were real thick as in normal nelsoni, it would make the red rings even smaller, so they seem to key-out rather nice too!

thanks for the pics and info on those Dave!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Yeah its hard to tell from those pics LOL! I also took these side view pics at the same time which I think shows it better. You can see where the white band ends on the side of the neck.

The other thing to remember is when I got those adults as babies I went to Doug's house and selected a trio out of a nice sized pile of animals...so selected the ones that had the smallest triads out of a bunch.

Dave

Yeah Dave, thanks for the low-down on those guys!.....those were indeed some cool "cherry-picks" you made!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com