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I have the two flames and the hypo male. Now the flames are a hypo. So are they two different hypo strains? Let say a hypo corn and a Sunglow? Just wondering.
Thanks for any input
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

>>I have the two flames and the hypo male. Now the flames are a hypo. So are they two different hypo strains? Let say a hypo corn and a Sunglow? Just wondering.
>> Thanks for any input
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>>Tom S
>>1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
>>1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
>>0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
>>0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
>>1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

A TRUE Sunglow is Hypomelanistic and amelanistic.......Not all sunglow corns have the true Hypo gene....It has reduced pattern but not reduced pigment.....

All Hypo strains in Floridana are the same gene....
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John Lassiter

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Thanks John I was just curious on how that worked.
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

Yes, and there are "true" genuine "sunglows" that have no hypomelanism involved, but not commonly found anymore without it. As long as they display very little to no white around their borders, they are still considered sunglows. The line-bred trait has had the hypo gene added in over the years to help reduce the borders, but it doesn't necessarily have to be. I had one from a normal amel clutch back in 1991 before the coined name sunglow was ever thought of. I just happened to cherry-pick it out of a huge clutch because it looked different. It wasn't until later on as he matured some that I realized how special he really was.

As you can see in this link below, mine was just as nice, if not nicer than any you would ever find today. He had absolutely ZERO white whatsoever, and was extremely orange colored.

sunglows

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I always liked the sunglow motleys....and Doug that sunglow is very nice.....for a corn.....J/K....Nice snakes....
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John Lassiter

Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Thanks!,..I hear ya man!..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>All Hypo strains in Floridana are the same gene.

Technically Peanut Butter is a hypo gene, it reduces the amount of melanin produced and brightens the colors that are shown but is easily distinguished from the older hypo gene.

I always thought a sunglow corn was just a line bred amel, same as a reverse okee. One bred for no borders, one for wide borders. Never heard of a hypo gene being reguired.

The original sunglows were just line bred amels though now using hypo is a shortcut but I have always heard the referred to as hypo sunglows.

>>I always thought a sunglow corn was just a line bred amel, same as a reverse okee. One bred for no borders, one for wide borders. Never heard of a hypo gene being reguired.

I think you are correct....... The first corns the corn breeders called "hypo" were not hypo at all. They were line bred cornsnakes that eventually showed no black at all in its normal phase (much like an Applegate Phase Pyro)......These "hypo" corns were bred to amelanistic corns to produce "double hets".......then it took a few generations for the first Sunglows to emerge. The breeders had to line breed a few generations to get the "white" to be reduced...... The Sunglows were merely Amelanistic corns with reduced Black (white) pattern........They were thought to be double homozygous (hybinos) and were coined as Sunglows.

Wouldn't Amelanism cancel out Hypomelanism? A Hybino morph is un-distinguishable from an Amel in Lampropeltis and Guttatas.....

Later the true Hypomelanistics emerged where their black pattern was reduced to grayish.......I don't know what they call the first reduced black pattern ones now, but they shouldn't be Hypo......

I saw an ad last year here on KS....it was a seller selling Double het for Amel and Hypo Splendida and the title was "Want to Produce Sunglow Splendida?" I don't think they would look any different than an amel splendida.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I believe those first "Hypo" corns are now called Hypo A......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, the typical reduced dark pigment corns are indeed hypo type "A", with several incompatible types since then.

"Sunglow" splendida...HAHAAA!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

The first corns the corn breeders called "hypo" were not hypo at all. They were line bred cornsnakes

I think you are confusing rosy or upper keys corns with hypos they are lighter than typical corn snakes and were once considered a sub species. The original hypos were a double recessive gene not line bred normals. The gene popped up in the mid 1980 in St Cloud FL.

Wouldn't Amelanism cancel out Hypomelanism? A Hybino morph is un-distinguishable from an Amel in Lampropeltis and Guttatas

You would think so but some specimens stand out like a sore thumb. Some of the other hypo strains bred into amels are very recognizable as double homo zygous animals look at a lavamel (Hypo C X Amel) they certainly stand out.

Later the true Hypomelanistics emerged where their black pattern was reduced to grayish.......I don't know what they call the first reduced black pattern ones now, but they shouldn't be Hypo

As I said those were rosies, Hypo is just called Hypo, Hypo B is Sunkissed, Hypo C is Lava, Hypo D is Ultra (Which is allelic to amel and will produce a co dominant phenotype in the F1 breeding similar to the Peanut Butter and T- in Floridana), Hypo E is Strawberry (allelic to Hypo A), and there are currently breeding trials to determine if Christmas Hypo is Hypo F or just one of the others that is line bred and since you have 5 test breedings to rule them all out it may take awhile.

>>The first corns the corn breeders called "hypo" were not hypo at all. They were line bred cornsnakes
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>> I think you are confusing rosy or upper keys corns with hypos they are lighter than typical corn snakes and were once considered a sub species. The original hypos were a double recessive gene not line bred normals. The gene popped up in the mid 1980 in St Cloud FL.

K...if that's the story you heard or how you saw it happen where you are.....
Here's how I saw it happen....LOL.....The first Hypo "A"s I saw had very thin black borders arouond their saddles......When they expressed Amelanism the thin black borders were then very thin white borders......They were sold as Sunglows and thought to be amel and hypo when they were just amel with a reduce black pattern........True Hypos came later......All 5 of them....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...