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Are We Big Enough Now?

pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 11:22 AM


At the start of brumation last fall. Here it is January 14th already!
My females measure 33 and 34 inches respectively. Their mate measures 32 inches. I decided to measure them this morning when I changed their water bowl in their brumation cage. I put a yardstick on the couch, then stretched the snakes out along the yardstick, which was very easy to do since they were cool. Worked fast to avoid too much disturbance. This trio was born in July '08. They have all been consistent good eaters.

Do you all think they will successfully breed this spring? If there is any doubt I will wait. (Will take the male out when I warm them up.) It's not like I don't already have plenty of baby pyros! LOL!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Replies (16)

a153fish Jan 14, 2011 11:44 AM

Bob I'm not a Pyro expert but, I would say they are plenty big enough. Remember you are gonna feed them for probably two months before they start showing signs of eggs so be sure to concentrate on feeding the females. The males may start feeding at first then refuse meals as they smell love in the air. Let's see what the Pyro heads say?
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pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 12:17 PM

I can hardly wait to start feeding them! As usual I have a huge mouse population explosion, with a freezer full and live mice galore...I just seem to have a real problem being too successful with this mouse breeding thing...LOL! I figure in mid February my snakes should start wanting to feed again and this "problem" will abate some. Expect my mouse customers' snakes will help, too.

These two females love to eat so I don't foresee any problem weight wise getting them ready for egg production this spring.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

DMong Jan 14, 2011 01:07 PM

I would say the green light is on and shining for this coming breeding season. Pyro's aren't large generally anyway, and those sizes fall right into very typical adult sizes for their race. Especially since they are doing so well for you, and seem to be absolutely fine in the weight department, and eat consistently.

I don't see any problem whatsoever in my opinion either. Sems like you are doing a very nice job of husbandry from what I have ever seen.

Good luck with those guys this season!

~Doug
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pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 05:05 PM

Thank you so much for the encouraging words!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

DMong Jan 14, 2011 06:54 PM

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

varanid Jan 14, 2011 01:20 PM

I wish I'd thought of measuring mine while they were chilled. D'oh!
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joecop Jan 14, 2011 01:46 PM

Oh, I would never measure when chilled. Shrinkage. Sorry, had to do it!!LOL. Those pyros are plenty big enough as Doug stated. I had a female lay eggs last and she was less then 30" long. No problems.

pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 05:12 PM

Cats get longer the hotter it is. Watch a cat on a hot day; he will be stretched out like a rug, but the lower the temperature the shorter he will get, until at the coldest he is just a tight little ball. Snakes, being cold blooded, would seemingly do the opposite! LOL!
I am feeling more confident with the positive feedback. Thanks!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 05:08 PM


I wish I'd thought of measuring mine while they were chilled. D'oh!

I only handle my fence lizards when they are cold, so it seemed the logical thing to do the same with the snakes. Less stress for everyone! At least I don't have to worry about the snakes having their tails break off! LOL!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Jlassiter Jan 14, 2011 02:18 PM

Plenty big!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 05:16 PM

More positive feedback from an expert! This rocks!

One more month and I can begin the warm up. I am so tired of winter, but the days are getting longer and soon it will be spring!
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Jlassiter Jan 14, 2011 05:32 PM

>>More positive feedback from an expert! This rocks!

I'm no expert.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

pyromaniac Jan 14, 2011 10:14 PM

>>More positive feedback from an expert! This rocks!

I'm no expert......
Maybe a a more apt term wold be more experienced. I consider myself to still be a newbie. Once I have successfully raised a few clutches I will feel I have graduated to at least less of a newbie. The thing about this hobby is there is no end to the knowledge; there will always be more to learn.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

Jlassiter Jan 14, 2011 10:20 PM

>>Maybe a a more apt term wold be more experienced. I consider myself to still be a newbie. Once I have successfully raised a few clutches I will feel I have graduated to at least less of a newbie. The thing about this hobby is there is no end to the knowledge; there will always be more to learn.

So TRUE Bob......Then there's lizards, frogs and turtles too....LOL
I consider myself a true newbie with those other herps....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

TonyT89 Jan 16, 2011 01:25 AM

Good size pyros! The biggest I've seen in real life was about 3 1/2 feet but they were about 5 years old. Yours is about 2 1/2 years old so they are growing at a great rate...good job!

I say 2 thumbs up on breeding them this year! I think 3 feet is the perfect size for a lot of colubrids to start breeding and the trio is real close to that size so GO FOR IT!!! Come on! You know you want more baby pyros lol!

Tony
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You can never have only one snake!

pyromaniac Jan 16, 2011 05:41 AM

Good size pyros! The biggest I've seen in real life was about 3 1/2 feet but they were about 5 years old. Yours is about 2 1/2 years old so they are growing at a great rate...good job!

I say 2 thumbs up on breeding them this year! I think 3 feet is the perfect size for a lot of colubrids to start breeding and the trio is real close to that size so GO FOR IT!!! Come on! You know you want more baby pyros lol!
Thanks, Tony!
Well, they are together, so it will be up to them if they want to proliferate this year...it would be fun to get a few babies of my own.
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Bob/Chris
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire

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