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Hi I need help to see if this is a good deal or not. Someone is offering to sell me an 09 male coral sunglow possible paradox and a female pastel jungle het albino with a stripe for $475 for the pair. Is that a good deal or no? Could they produce coral sunglow jungles? And for about how much could I sell their babies and what other babies could they be able to produce? Someone help me out please. Thanks

Without pictures, there's really no way to know. Quality affects price in boas to a drastic degree. Often times, the very best example of a particular boa goes for exponentially more than its least attractive counterpart.

As for the "possible paradox" part... that's enough to make me back out of the deal. I'm not aware of "possible paradox" even being a possibility. No one has successfully proven the method of inheritance of the gene (or lack of inheritance). Even paradox's have failed to produce more paradox's when bred to suspected hets (as far as I know). So, calling something a possible paradox just reeks of deception, IMO.

I'd stick to buying from someone with a great reputation. They don't get that stellar reputation for no reason. And above all, remember that "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is".

jb

>>Hi I need help to see if this is a good deal or not. Someone is offering to sell me an 09 male coral sunglow possible paradox and a female pastel jungle het albino with a stripe for $475 for the pair. Is that a good deal or no? Could they produce coral sunglow jungles? And for about how much could I sell their babies and what other babies could they be able to produce? Someone help me out please. Thanks
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

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There I posted some pictures that maybe could help out a bit. Well the paradox is only because his father was and he passed it on to two of his offspring so he could maybe carry it but he said no guarantees

Here are some pictures of the two

The Jungle is attractive , nice not spectacular but very nice

The Sunglow is a typical run of the Mill Glow in my opinion, not a
High contrast Glow nor is it a coral Glow IMO

At this point I would not label it Coral and and I'm willing
to bet it will not develop coral coloration but
sometimes they can surprise you.

So now it's up to you to do your research and find Boas that you
can make comparisons to these Boas offered.

Then you'll know if you want these Boas or not

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Well in your opinion what do you recommend me to do If you were in my position ? Would you pay the $475 for the pair?, ask for a lower deal?, or look elsewhere? What type of babies would they be able to produce and about how much do you think those babies would be worth? Thanks

In 4 years (when the fem is mature) a pair like that will produce

Albino Boas
Sunglow Boas
Hypo Boas het Albino
Albino Jungle Boas
Sunglow Jungle Boas
Hypo Jungle Boas Het Alb
Jungle Boas Het Alb
normal Boas het Albino

The worth of the babies based on the appearance of those 2 Boas as adults would
probably be similar to the price you are paying for them but
relative to the market at that time.

I personally would look for a better Sunglow and expect to pay more for a better Sunglow.

Therefore if I also provide a highest of standard mate for the
new high standard Sunglow I could produce extremely nice Sunglows and
expect to sell them for more money in the future.

This is why you need to do more research on your own to better
understand selective breeding and also to understand genetics
or a better grasp of genetics.

You need to know what any given pairing will / could produce
before you dive into the breeding endeavor.

I would suggest holding off and doing research on many many things with the Boa world.

Have you looked through Kingsnake Boa classifieds ?

That's a place you could start doing alot of research, on pricing and different quality Boas.

From there you can click on website links with in any given ad
and go to their website and soak up any info
you can from those websites.

This is my honest suggestion

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Here's My Sunglow I recently purchased from Trey Stowell's 2010 litter #2

After 2 or so sheds

10.bcglow.11M Larry's T. Stowell Sunglow

These 2 below Images Taken recently using different forms of light

Here are a few Images of 3 of my Jungle Boas

Arturo '07 Male produced by Jeremy Stone

2 Boas By Klevitz Fem Jungles produced by me in 2009 using above male and a fem Het VPI Caramel

Jungle Fem CarmArtJ_09_02 PH VPI Caramel PH Kahl Albino

Jungle Fem CarmArtJ_09_06 PH VPI Caramel PH Kahl Albino

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Hey thanks for the advice on that pair. Does this look like a better looking sunglow to you? Yeah she's worth more also like you said but I feel like she's nicer looking. It's a 2010 female by the way. Just let me know what you think. Thanks

The picture was also taken by a camera phone so the quality of it isn't all that great. He's going to email me some better looking pictures later on tonight though

Yes that is alot nicer IMO, plus it's amazing how much you can
tell from a quality Image compared to a low quality image.

(Even though that image is a lower quality)

I bet this Sumglow Boa will only look better in a better picture/image too !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Yeah thanks I though so also but I just wanted someone elses opinion on it as well who has sunglows of his own . I'm looking in to buying this from someone. She's a 2010 female sunglow. What are your views on this one? You think I should go for it and get her or no?? And then from there I would go out looking for a nicer looking male jungle het albino. Thanks again

I think you really need to go back and read Larry's response about taking your time and doing some research and educating yourself. I just get the feeling that you're really just looking to make a quick buck doing this and I applaud Larry for trying to point out difference and value of purchasing quality animals. No one is going to tell you what to do, thats where the educating yourself part comes in to play.

It's not that I'm in it for the money at all. This one is a 2010 baby which means I would have to wait for her to be able to even be able to breed. All of my boas that I have are either 09 or 2010 babies. If I was in it for the money I would have gone out and either bought breeding sized adults or older snakes that are closer to breeding age. I'm just trying to get other peoples opinion on what he thinks I should do because he has been in it longer than I have. It's not that he's telling me what to do either because in the end I choose the snakes that I want to buy, I just want someone who has seen many other boas before and have produced babies of their own. To me its a hobby and im not looking to make a living off of it, but I just want to invest my money wisely and eventually be able to sell some boas of my own.

I can see where you're coming from. In the end, you will want to pick up the animal that catches your eye, but it's nice to know the "standard" in the hobby. Just look at classifieds, hit at least one show, and you will start to see the variation in all the morphs. Unless you're unusual in your preferences, more than likely what you find to be a great looking sunglow, will be considered nice by most keepers as well.

Yeah thanks for understanding what I'm trying go say. Yeah I think ill do that. I live in California do you know of any shows that go on here?? Thanks again

click on the events link at the top of the page and see what you can find near you.

I totally agree with Larry..... look at as many boas as you can before pulling the trigger.... This is a buyers market.... So you can get really good deals on nice boas... You could buy that pair... but they will just produce "average" offspring...... but "average" boas are a dime a dozen.. and really hard to sell..... There will ALWAYS be a market for high quality stuff..... I suggest checking out Reptile Insider... ALot of boa breeders post pics of their stuff there.... you can get a feel for the look of quality boa morphs.... there are also adds.... with some of the best boas around....
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Marc Duhon
Lafayette, Louisiana
SURINAMBOAS.COM
kaiyudsai@SURINAMBOAS.COM

These are some sunglows I have produced over the years for comparison. If you take the time to learn about the genetics of the parents and offspring, you will be able to get exactly what you are looking for. In my opinion, we are all enthusiasts and will keep our animals for a long time. A few hundred dollars should never sway a buyer's decision. I will post a few more pics of babies!

Here are a few babies...

A few more as babies. You can see from the three posts how the animals color up over time. Make sure the lineage you are purchasing from does this; if this is the type of animal you would like to have into adulthood.

Good Luck