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Well, I don't post on this forum much but this is a special occasion. I bred a Male that I 'thought" was just a hypo with a zigzag partial stripe going down his back X Hypo. The female ovulated 10/10/10 (go figure) and today was day 107. When I saw these baby's at first I was shocked. Look at the photos to see what I mean.

Here are the "normal" looking hypos

Here are the hypos/ maybe supers. they have more striping then the ones in the first photo.

And here is the most incredible ones in the litter. Their stripes and colors are incredible. Im almost positive that these are all super hypos somethings.

So I ended up with 21 hypo/super hypo somethings, 1 still born and 4 slugs.

I will post better pictures later today with my carmera I used my phone for those cruddy ones. I'll also post pictures of the father.

My question for all of you is; do you think that this super striping is something new and unique? Or is it just a freak occurance?

Thanks Everyone for looking!

Thanks
~~Frank

I think dad may be a Jungle. Only way to prove it for 100% is to breed him or one of his offspring to a known Jungle to see if you get Supers, but from looking at this litter, I think he'll prove out.

Mark

Looks like one of the parents is carrying the Jungle Gene.
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Richard Ceniceros

Definetly look like jungles but the weird thing is that if only one parent was carrying the gene only half should be jungles and if both parents were jungles you would have supers which does not appear to be the case. All of them look like jungles. ?????
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Paul Rothenbach
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Ok so here are some pictures of the parents. Sorry they are not the best I had to use my phone as my Internet is down till Friday so I'm doing everything by phone

Here is the female. All pictures were just taken. She would not sit still and it was just me.

And here is the male. His colors are actualy even redder in person.

This male is currently copulating my other female hypo who is just as red as he is but without the crazy stripping so that will be another interesting litter!

Let me know if anyone has any questions!

Thanks
~~Frank

Congrats! Those are some killer babies. Personally, the babies and father look more Aby Line than Jungle to me. The mother has a little Aby look to her too. That would also explain why the majority of them are so crazy looking!
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Jeff Carr
West Coast Constrictors
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After looking a bit more... I think you could have possibly crossed a female Salmon Jungle and a Male Salmon Aby....
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Jeff Carr
West Coast Constrictors
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After looking at the parents id say one parent is a hypo jungle and the other Aby line.
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Richard Ceniceros

Very nice surprise you got there Frank. Now the only problem I see you have is which one's do you keep. LOL

Take care
Tom
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McCarthyBoas.com

Tom, yeah you got that right! I don't want to get rid of any because they all have their own special patterns. But i guess i'll have to choose my favorites.

Congratulations on a fantastic litter.

Frank,
I would guess and say they are both Jungles. However, I have not done any research on the Abby line, so I may have the best expert advice on what the babies are. I would follow the line of each parent and see what the grandparents were and what they been producing. I mean, for all we know you may have a totally new morph. I dont think the question if hard to see what ones you want to keep. I think the hard question is what will you breed them back to next year. You would think the best would be to breed them back next year and produce more of these amazing mystery animals. If I owned them, I would breed them each to an amazing Jungle and see what you get for babies. Or if you can tract down the pedigree of the parents and grandparents, then you should know what they are. Good luck
Dave S.

>>Frank,
>>I would guess and say they are both Jungles.>>Dave S.

I would think that with that many babies in the litter, if both of the parents were Jungle, there would be some Super Jungles in the group.
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Jeff Carr
West Coast Constrictors
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About the parents. I bought the female as an adult last June/ July from Ben Siegel who bought out some guys collection.
And the male I bought from some guy at daytona in 08'. I could swear the guy told me it was a hypo X Normal or Hypo that produced my male as I bought him as just that, a plain old hypo. I remember seeing his litter mates and they all looked like normal hypos. But one thing I have noticed is that this "Hypo" X Hypo breeding should of made some normals as well but as you can all see there are no normals In the litter either, which means he is probably also a super hypo. My thought on the whole jungle theory is that if it were jungle there would of been some "normal" hypos in the litter but their was not. Even the lowest striped one still had a weird pattern.

Congrats on a beautiful litter. How are you ever going to decide which ones to sell? I'd keep them all. They look like some pretty amazing jungles to me.

Anthony-

That's quite a nice litter - what a suprise that would've been . I personally don't think that either parent is a Jungle , but instead aberrant Hypos that are working well together in creating these patterns. The male or female is most likely a Super as well . I'd personally be breeding them both to non-Hypos with no aberrancies on your next go around - just to see what is going on with each one of them . I love those kind of projects.
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Snake room janitor

I don't think either parent is jungle myself (without seeing them its hard to make that call, but...). Instead, these remind me exactly of AJ Schnellers ginger hypo line. THey result in extreme abberancies and clean colors. Check his animals out on his website.

I am breeding one of them this year to a stunning EBV pastel, so hopefully I will see some crazy abberancy also.

Those babies look great. Congrats.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Here is the female. All pictures were just taken. She would not sit still and it was just me.

And here is the male. His colors are actualy even redder in person.

This male is currently copulating my other female hypo who is just as red as he is but without the crazy stripping so that will be another interesting litter!

Awesome litter! Congrats!

You bred hypo x hypo and got no normals?

One of the parents was probably a super, I think half that litter is supers, and I also think they're just awesome hypo's/super hypo's.

Either way, it's safe to assume that the striping IS genetic!

Congrats again, if possible, I'd keep em all!