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I haven't seen too many bicolor hondurans and most that I have seen were albinos. The few non-albino bicolors I have seen looked great to me though, so I thought I'd ask if any of you guys had some and felt like sharing pictures? I know Tim Spuckler has a hypo female on his website that's probably the nicest example of this look that I've seen so far.

"Bicolor" is a bit of a tricky word, as it can mean different things. I think most people use it to describe a triad being the same color as the wider bands. This is a good way to describe the look of some "tangerine" albinos vs. tri-color albinos.

Bicolor can also mean that the triad darkens and merges with the black (in the case of normal or anery) bands surrounding it.

Here's a normal Honduran of mine expressing that trait:

It may be able to go the other way too, with the triads staying relatively intact, but the wider bands gaining black. This one is still young, but may someday be a yellow and black "bicolor" if the red continues to get infused with black:

And this anery is getting progressively darker overall - it may eventually be a "unicolor" Honduran:

Third Eye

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>>It may be able to go the other way too, with the triads staying relatively intact, but the wider bands gaining black. This one is still young, but may someday be a yellow and black "bicolor" if the red continues to get infused with black:

Interesting, Tim. I don't remember ever seeing one with the black suffusion overtaking the red instead of the white ring. Do you have a pic of that animal as a hatchling?

Hey Terry,

Here's a couple of pics of that snake as a hatchling - it has a solid black ventral surface.

Tim

Yeah, those are pretty bizarre, and that solid black belly is crazy Tim!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Terry,

I have one from your line (from Tom Stevens) that has very large amounts of black encroaching onto the red and the orange bands, spreading to cover almost the entire snake. She's only three years old and has been darker with every shed. She produced for me last year and one of the babies was a high white albino. I'll try to post some pics of the mom.
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2.6.2 Hondurans (Normal, amel, hypo, anery, ghost)
1.2.0 Pueblans (Normal, hypo)
0.1.0 Corn Bloodred
0.0.1 GBK Blair's Phase
1.1.0 California King (normal, blue-eyed blond)
0.2.0 Speckled Kings Calcasieu Parish locality
1.1.0 Brooksi Hypo
1.1.0 Goini/Brooks Cross (Blaze and hypo)
1.1.0 San Diego gophers
0.0.1 Texas Rat
0.0.1 Jungle Carpet
0.1.0 Ball, Normal
0.0.1 Sulcata
1.2.1 Leopard Geckos(various morphs)
0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana Integrade WC

Here are a few different bicolored types Kevin.....some are barely discernible, and you can just make-out a slight difference.

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

As Tim pointed out, there is more than one type of bicolor. I think the high black specimens are really cool, but I was talking about the type of bicolors that Doug posted in my original post. Speaking of which, I love that aberrant individual. I know a lot of keepers are big fans of pin banded specimens, but I'm all about the thick black bands like that one has...which I guess is nice since specimens with vanishing patterns and reduced bands are more expensive. Thanks for the pics guys.

Doug those are all superb specimens but I'll take #5 off your hands. That one is outstanding.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Thanks Big T!....

However, that cool little dude is now a decent-sized adult male, and is going to be bred to his aberrant sibling clutchmate to hopefully prove this particular aberrant line of hypos to be 100%genetically inheritable.

There are only a couple known lines of aberrants that produce any aberrants with any real consistency so far (Guy Clark's "crazy" line, and Marc Bailey's line) and I believe from what I have seen in previous clutches that only the original sire of these aberrants where used in, STILL produced aberrants in every offspring in several other clutches so far. So just imagine what these two sibs with the exact same genetic makeup will be capable of producing!??

If this turns out to be a simple recessive gene like I think it is, or even possibly "co-dominant" as it may turn out being, there will be all sorts of very cool stuff brought to the table in the future with this gene involved.

He is around 4 feet now, this pic was taken a long time ago.

Glad you like that one man, I think he is way cool as well. I can't wait to see what sort of bizarre aberrants they produce!

~Doug

as a young hatchling....

As an adult.....

here is his female sib when she was very young that he will be breeding to hopefully prove this aberrant gene very predictibly inheritable this year....Both their bellies are all very crazy looking too!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

The insane thing about this is that both the parents that have been producing these awesome aberrant animals are absolutely NORMAL LOOKING!!!. So like I said before, just think what those two aberrant's will produce when bred to each other this year!??????

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Doug, that is super-cool! I love these aberrant Hondos. Please keep us posted on this project!
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2.6.2 Hondurans (Normal, amel, hypo, anery, ghost)
1.2.0 Pueblans (Normal, hypo)
0.1.0 Corn Bloodred
0.0.1 GBK Blair's Phase
1.1.0 California King (normal, blue-eyed blond)
0.2.0 Speckled Kings Calcasieu Parish locality
1.1.0 Brooksi Hypo
1.1.0 Goini/Brooks Cross (Blaze and hypo)
1.1.0 San Diego gophers
0.0.1 Texas Rat
0.0.1 Jungle Carpet
0.1.0 Ball, Normal
0.0.1 Sulcata
1.2.1 Leopard Geckos(various morphs)
0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana Integrade WC

Thanks Mike!

Yes, I certainly will let you know how things go this season.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Nice! I am working with Norm Damm Aberrants, Baily's and also guy Clarks crazy line. I have also bought the occasional Aberrant from people that just hatched them from Normals to bring in new bllod lines. I have been able to produce several cool Hypo Aberrants as well as a Hybino bi-color, a Snow Aberrant (Kinda hard to tell!) and a few Ghosts...its my favorite project. I still havent been able to pin down a combination to give me 100% aberrancies in clutches, maybe this year...
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Very cool Scott!.....yes, your username is very well-deserved, I must say..LOL!

Yeah, I am real excited to see what these two produce. Man!,..sounds like you got quite a few very interesting projects going on there bro!

best of luck with all of them too man!

I'll let you know what happens with these as well.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

That female is sweet too. Do me a favor and keep me in the loop on this project. I'm not big into hondos but if there is anyway I could score/afford a pair of their babies I would be very interested. Especially if they resemble your breeders.

Thanks,
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Sure thing Big T, I will definitely let you know how things pan-out with these guys bro!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

~ZF

Thanks Zenny!

BTW, I really hope you got the deal "ironed out" somewhat about the ad situation.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

To be 100% honest

I understand people don't like crosses and some don't want to see them, but i would rather market my King Snake crosses to people looking for Kingsnakes.

Moving the category up does help with the visibility but i would just rather having things the way they were a few months ago.

Most of the crosses i've produced (Blaze goini x Flame brooksi, Lavender goinixBrooksi, Amelanistic EasternxGoini) were sold to people not looking for any of these things but "Had to have it" once they stumbled across the ad in the Kingsnake classifieds... I wasn't trying to cause an issue, i know what works and how the snakes i produce sell, i just wanted the "freedom" to sell them as i've always sold them.

I did enjoy your post and i did agree with it 100%.

As for my other ads (it was sorta explained to me) as long as i don't use different names (like Floridana and Brooksi) in the same ad i think all should be well.

~ZF

Yeah, I totally understand bro!.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Beautiful animals, doug.

Thank you Terry!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Doug,

Put me down on the list for when you reproduce those high-red albinos (last snake pictured). And if Bigtattoo doesn't take that snake in photo #5 off your hands, I'll gladly help you out with ridding yourself of that snake.

Tim